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It is true that there were.
There was a knowing effort to target specific organizations.
As reported conservative organizations.
That would be outrageous and presents few winners and there should be.
-- was white house Press Secretary Jay Carney last hour on increasing calls now for more answers over the growing IRS scandal.
The tax agency admits targeting certain conservatives and other groups.
Filing for tax exempt status it's not just -- a group folks.
If you if you if you -- mission statement is you wanna make America a better place you may have been targeted by the IRS and seeking your tax exempt status not conservative.
It's just a principal.
These are folks that want that tax exempt status like -- -- 501.
C three designation.
Nonprofit public charities are private foundations that have open membership they're not allowed to engage in political activity as their mean sort of thing.
But not allowed to endorse or oppose political candidates or to donate money your time directly to these political campaigns.
But they can lobby and support issue based legislation.
As long as they let the -- -- and both sides the -- do a -- of a case there's nothing wrong with that with doing that what is wrong is at the IRS was specifically targeting these groups for a whole lot of extra secure scrutiny.
Just because it had an objection to what they stood for.
And -- client is Kevin cook -- he's the leader of a conservative group who says his group is among those targeted by the IRS.
When he tried to get status as an educational organization.
I'd just add that tip my hat to you.
The motivating forces behind this whole thing complaining on behalf of your clients like Kevin.
To the IRS for a long time now before we ever had any admission.
Before we head any inspector general report saying its cell they've been doing what you said.
You smelled a rat knew knew that they were up to no good we start with you -- -- Well and the purple Mark -- to organization when Barkley who did a great job getting its inspector general report started we've been handled the individual cases he he got the inspector general for -- he's got a great job and I appreciate -- -- -- and our team.
But let me -- -- my hand I wanna put an -- -- -- -- right now.
This is a letter from the Internal Revenue Service Megan.
This letter is from the Washington DC office of the Internal Revenue Service its involving one of our clients and Albuquerque, New Mexico.
It is signed by not just -- agent but a tax -- specialists who is a lawyer with the Internal Revenue Service so this whole notion that this is some limited.
You know mold -- staff that is over with this is out of Washington DC so this whole narrative that the administration's putting -- -- party keeps talking about.
If the targeting happening really is knotted it up the they've apologized for -- by the way -- -- not accepted.
They've apologized for a targeting so that president needs to stop it and get to the reality here that this was a complete misuse.
All of the office of the Internal Revenue Service and office that I started my prayer with as attacks towards a trial where a long time ago.
This is outrageous and what our clients have been put through.
Years of waiting it is inappropriate frankly unconstitutional.
-- this I inspector general's report which we are hoping -- any day now.
Will say that senior IRS officials knew they knew this is happening as early as 2011.
So the initial spin from the IRS was it was low level Cincinnati employees.
And nobody knew nobody senior levels and now -- and it's not just in C.
-- -- multiple cities and the inspector general's reports he's going to be to -- senior IRS officials knew.
And -- indeed the reports are now that as at around it may have 2012.
Commissioner of the IRS found out and that the acting the now the guy who's now the acting.
Commissioner found that back -- may 2012 so they did know right for for a long time for a year -- How did you first experience this -- when the IRS messes with you.
-- viewing it I'd like an inclination like messing with me but they sort of it gets to another -- we think they're they're actually -- with me.
Yes thank you Megan the first indication I had was when I received my first letter from the IRS which was in May of 2011.
And although that was a little more vague -- the later letters that we got.
It was actually by December of 2011 and this this -- of what of what Jay was just saying in this is important.
I finally got a hold of an agent on December 30 2011 the agent was out of the Cincinnati office.
And I said what is taking -- -- with my application.
In his words to me were and I quote he said we have been waiting on guidance from our superiors.
As to -- -- organizations.
And other similar organizations.
And I said and he'd be implied by the way that that authority was coming from beyond Cincinnati.
So clearly we had a case in fact that apology came out on Friday and knew from my files this wasn't true.
-- hurt you if at all.
How did -- hurt me gosh and -- count the ways first of all.
I'm a launch and I was launching my organization so I got a a first time grant.
A 30000 dollars promise to me upon condition that I get status.
That that kind of grand although maybe not great in in volume in and of itself as a tool that you can use to raise money with other organizations.
That grant was then later -- not because they thing that I had done that because the granting organization decided that they couldn't wait any longer.
In addition to that I invested between thirty and 50000 dollars of my own money all of which is for not at this.
I want to ask you.
This may be criminal behavior this -- I mean.
It obviously outrageous and every American should be concerned but now they're talking about -- on me now and I'll pick up pick it up a new gear after this break about whether somebody should be behind bars.
Behavior if it is proven in a court of law that's next.
Spotted by the IRS for additional scrutiny arrest as many as thirty questions that -- a regular group and you know another group would not have been asked including.
And summonses as reports of tell us any members of your family who planned to be a candidate for public office.
DTL your organization's involvement with the Tea Party.
Business what my involvement is with the Tea Party these organizations said.
Indicate your position regarding every single issue important your organization we'll tell us about the derivation of your organizations.
Name especially if you had.
Liberty in there are something that the IRS found potentially problematic.
Is this crowd has something been committed here.
Well you know -- attorney general today certainly raised the Specter of talking about criminality he said it minimum it's outrageous and -- civil liability he's the one who raised.
The issue of criminality which makes me wonder what are they are -- that we don't know right now I mean is there more to it than we know we what I do know is this.
That this was a coordinated attack on these organizations including by the way Jewish organizations that were pro Israel in their support.
You mentioned earlier wasn't just.
Tea Party type organizations.
And the attorney general has raised the Specter that there could be criminality here that I guess -- depend on what.
Internally was going on at the time that these reviews were taking place but I again I wanna say something Megan I -- critical here.
The White House has put out a narrative.
And so is the IRS that this was some rogue agent and at Cincinnati Ohio and and -- I showed earlier I got a letter.
From a tax lawyer.
To my client in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
In the letters from out of the -- and it did indicate as Kevin said for that higher ups were reviewing all of this -- she herself the personal but the letter is a lawyer.
What are they saying you all along Jamie now they've admitted it -- they denied it was for political reasons but.
What are they say knew all along when you were accusing them this.
They've been obnoxious to deal with and I say met someone that worked it and came start -- -- -- the agency they were ridiculous became ever more questions you mentioned thirty by the way.
Megan that doesn't include the eight or nine sub parts to each of those questions how about this one.
Every give us copies of every FaceBook post you have.
All on your organization's FaceBook page and your personal FaceBook page how about we want a list of your members we -- to listing your donors biographies and -- information.
Of members of your board of directors so they -- bad they didn't.
-- -- to be quite break here.
We -- 27 cases pending tour of our clients withdrew just because they.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- To the commissioner of Internal Revenue Service the acting commissioner Miller.
As well as to the chief counsel mile -- us and said at issue those exemptions and that by Friday we're taking legal like -- Why -- -- whether that was their -- all along is to deter you from pursuing your mission absolute Kevin do you think that's what was really going on here.
Well yes and -- -- if I could -- one critical point about my letter because keep in mind that my organization mission statement.
It's -- challenge the imagination of the rising generation.
We mentor high school and college students and conservative political philosophy get the IRS asked us to identify.
Those who we were teaching and -- I just -- -- leave you with this parting thought the chairman of the NAACP was on another network this morning and asked about.
This targeting of the tea party -- the -- -- goes well the on the Tea Party.
But Julian Bond said on that network.
It's entirely legitimate to look at the Tea Party.
That's a group of people who are admittedly racist who are overtly political who've tried as best they can't harm president -- -- in every way.
They're the Taliban wing of American politics.
And this is a group that does get tax exempt status today is groups got it.
And the NAACP was the basis upon which the Supreme Court ruling cases I relied on in the 1950 saying you don't get membership -- they try the same thing against the NAACP.
Don't work out very well for them -- I'm really surprised and it's unfortunate that Julian Bond said that is a civil rights leader that has got a very odd.
-- it's completely misunderstanding the nature.
Of the groups that are involved with this and to make those statements about.
Getting membership lists and this kind of investigation is is truly troubling coming from someone that understands the struggle the NAACP engaged in now.
I mean he he he said something about the IRS behaved in a heavy handed manner but he's got no love -- had Tea Party.
-- he believes is racist.
He believes they are overtly political and the Taliban American politics I'll leave it at that guys thank you thank you Megan thanks may have.
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