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First often been Ghazi.
Every once I don't pretend to be military expert but I I have the privilege of talking a lot of military people.
And when you talk to the people to actually fight the wars the Navy SEALs and when they come in.
They are offended about what took place they are all poor -- that no help was going -- -- who's going through these men and women on the ground.
And they say they absolutely could helped.
But then I -- -- former secretary of defense gates.
Say this once the fight started -- he would have done if he was in charge -- eighteen I think.
The one place where I.
Might be able to say something useful here has to do with some of the talk about.
The military response.
And and frankly had I been in the job at the time.
I think my decisions would have been just as there's work.
We don't have a ready force standing by in the Middle East.
Despite all the turmoil that's going on and with planes on strip alert troops ready to deploy at a moment's notice and so.
Getting somebody there in a timely way.
Would've been very difficult if -- Your reaction to.
Well I've been out just -- Bob gates has been out and my information is somewhat different.
There is a quick reaction force that is normally part of the African command.
I think if you talk to people some people it says suggested that it had been moved from Stuttgart.
Down to Italy.
So it was not too far away second I think by happenstance there was also a unit in Tripoli.
That was there for a totally different reason.
And and I just don't know enough about the facts -- to make the statement that Bob gates made or.
Or to say that what they're saying it's right or wrong -- we do know is this we know for a fact.
That the British pulled out of -- -- because they realize that threat from al-Qaeda related elements with serious.
Are people realized it was serious they were left there they were not pull out and they were not provided the security they request.
There is there clearly with the capabilities the United States armed forces have.
One would think that somewhere we would have had the ability to assist in some way apparently the effort wasn't even made.
What I think logically is if you look around the world on 9/11 and you think about an unsettled situation that Iraq Afghanistan -- out of Iraq.
Afghanistan and you have Libya that was the place we've had action if and we know -- -- huge al-Qaeda presence there and I also understand it to talk of the CIA people.
And you have much better contacts and I do -- out on track Al Sharia we know exactly who the other hierarchy where they're located.
We have not responded to them in nine months -- it too is if you don't have a quick reaction force ready to help out with the US securities -- I think that says a lot.
Did that it's not okay to have an answer to say we couldn't help in my mind.
It's also not OK to say.
What at this point does it matter as the secretary of state sentiment here she says why go back it doesn't matter down that.
We should learn from that and move on what your reaction to that.
I was disappointed in in her testimony and I think that the -- Department of State has the responsibility.
For providing security and if they're not gonna -- -- they shouldn't have people there.
And I am I'm.
I think that the hearings are important what's taking place in the congress is -- useful constructive thing.
They we need to get to the bottom of it.
The idea that that the days afterwards people would be calling it a demonstration.
In a reaction to a YouTube video.
And and for -- secretary of state to tell the Easter -- the families of those who were killed.
That that we're gonna get the person who did the video.
It's irrelevant he had nothing to do with -- these people were heavily armed there was no demonstration.
The people on the ground -- -- 'cause he talked to the people back in Washington and told him that.
secretary if people make mistakes -- leadership's decision to make mistakes and nobody's perfect and they still studying wars it happen.
500 years ago to say all that -- the mistakes and everybody made.
Having said that in a crisis situation.
When something happens on 9/11 I think the American people if the president -- and -- listen.
I'm disappointed we I -- we missed signals here they -- -- situation was not up to pour it is not acceptable not to have help for these people.
-- get to the bottom of it we know where these guys are located we bring in the justice.
We understand it's a fluid situations and unwieldy thing I think he showed that shows a human being congratulations -- into the world.
Up our guard was down in Libya and it's inexcusable -- won't happen again as opposed to.
Running us on this -- goose chase going on the -- go to a campaign event and going on Letterman.
And then making and mocking people the question and say this political motives what about the leadership style.
Well it's been said that people in the White House talk about the fact that he tends to lead from behind.
And it seems to me that -- president of the United States has the responsibility.
Find out what the facts are.
Communicate the facts to the American people and not try due to it.
Support a narrative that simply isn't true that it was a YouTube video and a demonstration that -- a -- At an end and at some point.
Leaders have to stand up and take responsibility and.
Syria the president was flat out said that's a red line use chemical -- it's a red line the Israeli cities chemical weapons Turkey -- chemical weapons European Union concluded the same thing.
The president still investigating.
In August he said that's a red line.
What is the what are the potential downsides to not answering that red line the Syrian government is as has crossed.
Seemingly everyone in the world sees what the United States steps many countries when they do something in one part of the world it's noticed in that part of the world.
When the United States does something in one part of the world that signal goes all the way across the globe.
And what it sends out -- a signal of weakness that the president's words are not what they sound like and and and the impression of weakness on the part of the United States creates a leadership vacuum in the world that's going to be filled.
By people whose values are notably different than ours -- we do now though now that we didn't have the time to put in defining who the rebels are and we -- would happen when will -- Is no longer there.
How do you handle it if I put you in this situation right now aside as big an enemy to the US is anybody.
At the same time al-Qaeda is bragging about their presence.
In the rebel organization -- I think if you look at the model in Egypt there were people across the spectrum that were opposing the government.
And the best organized and the most brutal and vicious with the Muslim Brotherhood.
So the earlier the election to replace the more the Muslim Brotherhood was favored.
The United States.
In in -- sense in in not suggesting.
That the election be delayed it went forward the Muslim Brotherhood took over.
And I worry in Syria -- been what 70000 people killed in Syria it's a tragic thing -- as you point out his.
Is somebody that that more than we would prefer not be there but the question is what's gonna replace him.
What is it their people across the spectrum.
The best organized people that other radical islamists they're the ones who know what they're doing -- -- they've got money they've got structure.
They've got a history and they know where they want to do.
And the other people -- Dispersed and and -- with each other and are not well organized hello believable is this that you have Hamas and al-Qaeda teaming up against -- and has bullet.
This is divided the terror war.
This a tough one it is very tough it's not an easy job I don't envy the people who have to make decisions as to who you would help where -- -- side to do something.
Right and that tour and then have a the president made that statement evidently going against what his advisors has concluded when he made those statements he was.
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Is there a chance that I've read -- -- books is general -- of -- of Iraq that escaped and worked and was a fighter fighter pilot and then Iraq Korean War.
He firmly says that the weapons of mass destruction left Iraq before we won in weeks before and now we see these chemical weapons ready to go in Syria.
And where is it rumored to have gone Syria.
Is there anything that makes you believe that possibly Saddam Hussein's weapons of mass destruction are in his -- -- friend.
I've heard the same statements from the same people I don't know what -- ground truth is.
And we do you know that that while stockpiles were not located and there are people who say that that stockpiles were removed out of the country.
-- notwithstanding that.
-- for reports the the US -- Charles -- for the inspector.
Said that they did find the facilities that we're dual use facilities they did find the people who knew how to make these.
Chemical or biological weapons and they found the precursors.
And that they in a matter of weeks Iraq would be able to have reconstituted.
They're they're stockpiles -- -- course Saddam Hussein had already used them on his own people Kurds any -- use them against the -- so it's not like he never had them.
We know it and we know that he thought he came clean and his brother in law ended up telling us -- whole bunch others were and he ended up going back.
And getting killed.
-- -- Joseph forward and I seeing now came forward and said.
They'll probably the Iraq War was -- -- war it's the using the weapons of mass destruction as the reason for -- exactly he he said that was a mistake even before we didn't find them in there.
Why do you think that is a what do you think he was getting at when he made that statement.
Well of course when the president went before the congress and asked for resolution there were a whole series of things that were listed.
When when the president went to the United Nations and secretary Powell made his presentation there were a whole list of things that were that Iraq was doing.
That had violated UN sanctions seventeen resolutions in the United Nations.
And for whatever reason either they're them White House in managing the issue allowed the emphasis to be Hong.
On the one thing stockpiles.
Not the capabilities to have weapons of mass destruction but stockpiles.
The end result was when they weren't locate located.
People -- -- and said damn bush lied people died.
Which is terrible thing to say because it's not true.
The senate and the house Democrats supported the president's resolution.
People like John Kerry people like Hillary Clinton people like -- democratic senator Rockefeller said there was an imminent threat.
Everyone in the world who was good morning glory exact general franks you view we have a -- protective clothing and -- they don't fit right when you get close.
David -- using them we get around that -- actually right so what does every day there -- always put -- -- elaborate lesbians putting on a big act of puppet show for the world.
I I think the I find it frustrating as an outsider when people.
The history we just lives what is it like for the secretary defense well I think it's hard for people who were involved too to see something misrepresented.
On the other hand in the the world's a better place with Saddam Hussein gone -- butcher of Baghdad was a he caromed upbeat or you bet pretty kill hundreds of thousands of people from that did.
Burial grounds over the errors are a sight to see it's a sad thing.
And and I think to the people of Iraq have a chance to to build a better future I wanna go through -- -- -- about leadership and everything in rumsfeld's rules one leadership does it don't.
Don't criticize your predecessor.
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