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That is what the white house press corps has got to go past the administration because the president looking in the -- you'll look in the camera and saying.
As we get new information will reveal it.
We are open and transparent and then they -- select a hundred.
That don't you don't necessarily make them look very good has -- -- a hundred had a 25000.
That -- bridge was coming from one Jason.
And what congressman -- -- -- talking about there.
Or so hundred emails -- -- hundred pages of the email documents.
That were released by the White House last night as part of a bid to get a grip.
And the -- got the heart of the current scandal troika plaguing the administration.
This is power play and I -- Chris tire -- And whither -- go -- Republicans on the question of Ben -- that is a very important question that we will seek to insert today we will also seek to answer the questions about the more urgent matters.
Facing the administration -- the I arrests in the Department of Justice.
Both of which are in quite.
Hot water today.
The president will have a press conference.
-- soon with the with the -- prime minister.
Turkey who is here on what he thought would be -- alliance shoring visit but instead he will be subject to two more -- and working between the president and the press corps.
We will do all of that.
We'll do it right because quite frankly Internet we appreciate you.
And we know that we can begin.
Doing it right because Josh crossbar.
Of the National Journal hotline he is the executive editor for.
Of that esteemed in venerable hotline Josh welcome -- to -- back issue Chris all right we'll see if that holds so the quick and there there is there is much to talk about but you have well followed.
And diligently followed the question.
How they've been guys -- business plays out.
So the White House is release these emails.
Harry Reid came out today and basically said well I hope you people are -- aside.
We're done with this Republicans say you can't hand pick a hundred at a 25000.
And then say okay we're done moving on we want the rest released.
What are they gonna do.
Well we're stuck in neutral reason given -- -- investigation.
There was new smoking gun in emails that the White House released but it actually raises a lot more questions.
Visa -- how the White House how Susan Rice was so intent.
I'm blaming the attacks four and a video will we see in these emails is that there's a lot of rhetoric -- agency disputes but we don't see these emails a focus on the video we see -- -- as part of a talking point but when you look at the totality of these emails the larger focus is.
The the origins of the attack potentially from al-Qaeda offshoot.
Terrorists -- -- terrorist -- That the video was not a major theme in all these inner agency emails and disputes and talking points.
So we still don't know how those emails on September 14 several days after the -- -- -- attack.
Evolved into an insistence.
Both of Susan -- on the Sunday shows and also from the president.
When he spoke to the UN when he went on several talk shows it in two days and weeks after -- days and in one week after.
The attack to really just.
Focus on this video has been the primary reason why the attack -- -- the primary cause of the attack.
-- -- Do after after that that event took place after the the debate took place that that was looking less and less likely.
I don't know what this means but I wanna share on one point -- -- -- people -- and fun.
Actually very funny sometimes.
Ron -- Wisely wisely follows me actually start on Twitter and thereby receipts by column in which.
That I wrote today that basically which I said president needs to.
Do more than be concerned.
Scene on Ben got in everything else -- it's time -- dramatic action to reassure the public.
He needs to do stuff bull lake and process and said maybe he should just put the lime in the coconut and drink them both up I don't know what that means.
But I assume it means that he needs to.
This therefore that for the administration and let's broaden out from the -- here to include the AP scandal that IRS scandal the president needs to to get after it right.
-- beginning to do that at all on all three of the fronts that we saw yesterday that he.
Held at 6 o'clock briefing to announce he was he was dismissing.
-- -- the Treasury Department was dismissing.
That acting commissioner at that the IRS.
And resuming our they've they've dubbed the all those emails which the president and asking for for quite some time so they are doing what you're doing public relations 101.
Get as much information.
As you can't out of that they didn't get -- their time that they finally did it yesterday.
And hoping that that'll keep pressure downwards the questions and then that criticism coming from the outside.
CNN is reporting that the White House it is whispering that the the resignation of the temporary IRS -- what puts the matter largely behind them.
We saw and Politico this morning.
That the White House says it's back on offense and all of that stuff institution right.
-- political event -- strictly from a from a who's winning the -- type of mentality that's the stuff people said Buffett and -- policy -- there's still a lot of employees at the height of the civil service that can be -- this early fired by a president but you would think.
That the official in charge of the IRS would start to.
-- some accountability on the employees who allegedly.
Targeted conservative groups who are the ones who were involved in this in this targeting -- so there's a lot more accountability to be had just having.
The acting commissioner was only the acting commissioner since November -- twelve.
Just firing him isn't likely to be enough to stop the political and -- -- -- use the keyword.
Accountability when you get into a scandal transparency.
Is not enough you can't just -- -- documents.
Or make things available accountability.
Is what gets you out of trouble when you can say we found and held accountable the guilty parties presents political buzzword right -- and then they they think they're.
Told leave the acting commissioner accountable but there are a lot of other staffers at play -- going to be a lot more investigation to see if this reached other elements of of of the administration now I've talked to people I've talked to folks in congress and I've I've consulted -- civil service to people who are familiar with.
Federal employment law and it does sound like the president could or if not himself that jetBlue could.
-- to this suspension with pay you'd have to pay them.
But suspension with pay of these IRS officials have basically you can get him out of the building you have to keep paying them but you you -- put them on paid administrative leave.
In order to sort of shore up confidence.
With folks is that a good idea.
It would be politically and every is that broader question people are asking and distrust in the government -- aptitude of the government having not been able -- controller workforce is there is a really serious political question.
And we're talking about expanding the government we're trying to implement Obama's health care law.
Yet we don't have a good sense of being able to we don't have the ability to hire are qualified managers qualified staffers -- can implement this stuff and and -- you -- someone if you trouble getting rid of a bad employee there is a lot of questions about.
Implementation of of of health care for example but other -- issues that are fundamental to the government's role in -- Aside and as we've already we've heard a lot of joking -- David Axelrod expense -- because he said yesterday morning but the government so vast hard today and it's like well you're wanna make it a little faster I heard.
-- lose gas that's true but I did you know it exposes the larger political reality that there is a lot of.
Skepticism about the size and role of government not just with Tea Party conservatives but also among independents who you don't don't necessarily have a knee jerk opposition to government but when they see it's not working.
-- see these inefficiencies and and in this case targeting an out of certain.
You know certain conservatives Pittsburgh for not getting nonprofit exempt status.
That the -- -- political problem that's where the danger is for this White House.
And in terms of un -- have been guys with the Republicans do next there is a danger.
Of being perceived at certainly there was a greater danger before the other scandals of being perceived as Eagle -- And or or maybe this would be more like -- -- finish.
Always pursuing this and doesn't think talking about Ben Ghazi.
That danger still kind of they -- right.
It is and -- right now the political potency of Ben Ghazi is limited and if you talk to Republican strategists they'll tell you that the Paris right now.
It's much more politically potent from -- -- as it's happening in real happy now we have people that have admitted to their guilt.
With -- giving certain Republicans think that if revelations came out they could in the long -- be very political significance that we don't have -- -- It matters -- history and it matters for 2016.
With Hillary Rodham Clinton.
It is -- and potentially the matter of barges and have him but you gotta do for either motivated to eat the meal that's in front of them and right now that's not IRS and -- The wheels -- -- the Gaza but it's so about to some degree that's -- twelve election and it was minimal.
Ultimately didn't affect background that running didn't exactly nail it didn't she didn't exactly he didn't exactly build long ball -- -- one definitely on -- today so thank you for making time for us thanks for.
Please read the national journal's -- you should because then.
You'll you'll know pretty much everything I do strike today.
It's a good it's a good thing to include -- -- morning round after of course -- Side OK we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back a couple of your favorite analysts will be here and we will talk about.
Press freedoms Democrats say they want to shield reporters.
From prosecution -- to protect their sources and all of that.
But at the same time you're starting to see groups on the left and individuals on the left say that Eric Holder as and the Justice Department have gone.
Talk about the ramifications.
When we come back just right.
-- what date did you re cute.
-- I'm not sure I think he's just towards the beginning of the matter and I don't know exactly when but -- was with the beginning of the man.
That's dismissed both came from Eric Holder the attorney general of the United States he was talking there.
To Spencer -- he's a Republican congressman from Alabama -- this.
And House Judiciary Committee.
He was asking the attorney general about at what point did Eric Holder recuse himself.
From the investigation that eventually led to true months of phone records for twenty phone lines at the Associated Press being seized.
By the Justice Department and this is power play and whatever your scandal preferences are -- however you like it over easy sunny side -- Ben Ghazi whatever else.
In Washington there is no doubt.
That the question of the Department of Justice.
And the seizure of reporter records.
Has the biggest tremor a fact.
Out across the country it's no -- the -- since about a 150 people do file taxes and they -- know about that agency.
But here inside Washington where the city runs on leaks whispers scandals nudges.
And -- email accounts.
The idea of the Justice Department looking into things has got a lot of people feeling a little -- clamped.
So how will this have a clip that you wouldn't play itself out what are the consequences people who know or at least can offer you an educated guess.
Include Ford O'Connell he is a former McCain Palin presidential campaign advisor he is the chairman of civic -- act.
He's a Republican and he is stressed for scandal -- I think I'm rocking.
The scandal Fredricka.
That's not read it is a law that's that you've got a colorful it -- the flamingo it's the flamingo scandal.
-- -- -- and if we could bring a -- and that the scandals that would be much more entertaining.
Richard Fowler is also entertaining and defines you as the host of Richard Fowler show and we act radio you can get it all over the country.
-- Internet it's or did he didn't see him.
Washington DC Richard welcome.
Thank you for.
OK so nobody likes this no one there there no one likes this when you got Rachel mad you get the pressure people on the left who are.
I would say fair minded.
Liberals who who are our.
Open to criticizing their own team and by the way this is I just as an aside gentlemen this what we look for -- for conservatives or liberals alike are you fair minded.
And the way that we tell whether your fair minded -- do you blow the whistle on your own team when they screw up that's what counts so remember that.
But no one likes this Richard this is like not cool.
Holder is being a little -- -- about the whole thing doesn't seem that way.
I have to agree I think what we've seen from -- from the attorney general is.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Why do you know why they had these phones I think beyond the fact that this is this issue of national security and I get that.
Awe and I think that if I I think -- can agree on that the you know.
-- -- -- -- -- -- very similar things different individuals and nobody liked it right nobody elected and I think the signals here at the same holds true here what this is something now if you.
We often think again what if bush did because it's it's what we've got this this this is it what if bush did.
And in this case if bush did this particularly if if the attorney general was Alberto Gonzales.
We talk like you know -- -- -- your phone records Associated Press but we're trying to prosecute leaguers.
It would be a huge explosion.
But Democrats are trying to get back.
Well he can call it offense but you can say they're trying to build -- work today it will have we'll hear from Chuck Schumer who is that we want a reporter shield law.
And it reporter shield law is something as a reporter I wasn't that crazy about because it tends to tangle things up a little bit but the idea is.
Providing immunity essentially for reporters.
When a judge -- by judge or prosecutor says reviewing your source that it provides immunity I've always said if it's good enough.
If if this -- good enough in the sources high value enough for you to keep its worth going to jail.
But I didn't -- whatever that -- is that that would help Democrats right.
The only place cynical politics first but first I want -- -- the first question asked me is what it looked -- -- the left would be going bonkers.
It ignoring its conduct but -- -- but the right but with the right.
Guess the -- going walkers to just not -- great.
Please go about yeah.
What I wanna I was doing the left.
This trying to get down for a this issue shows some -- -- they don't lose control issue -- but the real question -- I think that we might be seen the last days of miracles.
Okay because when -- attorney general basically says I don't remember when I recuse myself as America's top legal car heated memorialize and writing.
And I was trying to push down his deputy Cole is a patsy.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Well the -- quite tough words I think this is stuff but certainly now that you have.
The left and bill press who is somebody who -- life.
When he calls for holder to step aside you start to see that that that there's a thing.
Some eyebrows were raised when -- stayed on into the second term there there was some question because the attorney general is -- job where you take a lot of incoming U of -- enemies to yourself you become no matter what you are going to become a lightning large because the -- job.
And there are a lot of people who thought why isn't what.
Why -- they rebooting it DO -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- For their acts -- they've done it.
-- I always feel yeah.
Ourselves you've got ideas.
I don't really -- and -- the Justice Department -- the radio -- yeah the justices and Justice Department in the pit -- investigate government into the -- I'm -- they've they've announced they're -- investigate the -- which shows the strong Justice Department and the attorney general -- everything -- Howard mentioned this isn't just because of the garment that is launched more -- you know criminal -- its investigations in the media -- -- -- the Justice Department did any -- administration may -- all combined okay -- -- of the -- that did this is it Justice Department that can't be -- now you want to -- -- that you couldn't control on this issue to investigate -- I don't think gentlemen we have senator ratings I'm gonna ask you to quickly say.
Erik Cole will Eric Holder being.
The attorney general of the United States by the fourth of July.
Richard I think you might he might yeah.
Four he's going out the trash going to evolve forward as a trash talking trash talking.
All right we thank you very much for next Thursday as the -- okay your -- too by the way and so I would encourage you because we do.
We do have Johnny Isaacson senator from Georgia -- meeting to talk to you I would recommend that you stick around.
I'll do everything in my power to make sure.
Nothing like this happens again.
By holding the responsible parties accountable by putting in place -- checks and new safeguards.
And going forward by making sure that the laws applied as it should be.
In a fair and impartial way.
And that assurance came last night.
From President Obama who said nothing like this he would see to it that nothing like this.
This IRS targeting of infect the president's own political opponents would ever happen again.
And this is power -- and guess what.
Republicans are yet convinced of the president's commitment to rooting out -- corruption inside the IRS.
And have some ideas of their own about how to deal with that question.
One of the people that is trying to do that is Johnny Isaacson senator from the great state of Georgia.
I'd be -- for -- now you are one of the cosponsor senator well first let's ask this.
Do you take the president at his word when he says that he is going to do whatever is necessary to root this out and make sure that it doesn't happen again.
-- always follow actions I appreciate his words I was glad that he call yesterday for the resignation of Stephen Miller that was a good first.
I appreciate his statement last night.
The words can be belied by actions we need to see the action take place holes iris accountable.
Investigates the IRS and ensures this never ever happens again.
Now you and some of your fellow Republican senators I think including Marco Rubio and others have legislation that you're proposing.
That you say good -- mediate some of these problems at the IRS can you tell us about that.
Well -- just holes IRS accountable and ensures that they -- not leak.
Private information that they have it insurers that they cannot selectively go after anybody.
They respect the privacy of the tax information of every American taxpayer you know Chris one of these -- we're worried about.
On January 1 of when he fourteen IRS takes over the enforcement of obamacare.
That's something this highly controversial in and of itself.
If they don't have the credibility -- want now lost because of what happened here and we're gonna have a terrible mess RS -- they'll be held accountable and a big way.
And what would it end in -- legislation would listen in introduced criminal penalties or what what would be -- what would be the safe.
There would be criminal penalties would be enforcement mechanisms and it would not just be it it would be all the way down the latter and whoever is found to have been guilty or culpable.
We'll be guilty of a crime something nice is a misdemeanor some -- -- -- Now you mentioned the implementation of the president's health club we also have a hundred million or so American taxpayers waiting for their returns.
And we -- -- the 2014 political season getting under way the IRS is doing a lot right now.
We've heard reports today that the president is this week going to act to choose a new -- -- And -- for the agency.
That's a pretty tall order.
Well it is a tall order and I hope the president will put as much pressure on getting the investigation of the IRS done.
Max Baucus yesterday the finance chairman and Orrin hatch from our committee of finance in the senate have both called -- open investigation the IRS.
The American people are going to accept nothing less this is a big.
Big issue with -- my constituents in every taxpayer in America.
Some have discussed the idea.
In in addition to having an -- rom.
Director for the agency that there are also needs to be some sort of -- watchdog or oversight.
That is independent may be Republican.
That could be watching the agency to make sure that as -- carrying out its current duties it's neither covering up new or worsening.
That would be in the best interest of the American taxpayer quite frankly the president of the United States transparency transparency is important.
Bipartisanship in terms of oversight gives the people some sense of comfort that the right thing to be doing those of the types of things we need to do.
Senator yeah I hope you'll forgive me this is because this is a political show I cannot let you go without asking you this.
You guys are gonna get ready to have a barn burner of a senate primary down in Georgia.
-- says to fill the seat being vacated by it.
You were friend and colleague senator Chambliss.
Do you have a favorite in that race or do you or do you know what's gonna happen.
I think gets the job of the Republican voters in the Republican primary to choose that person that will run for the United States senate to replace -- But as I'm -- -- say tomorrow at the state Republican Convention in Athens Georgia.
Please send me about somebody is equal to the strength and the festive Saxby Chambliss he's been a great senator the United States -- -- -- and do.
Well nobody could argue with that congressmen.
Are certainly not certainly not at their convention congress or senator we thank you so much for making time -- a -- have a great day by congress.
We didn't do power points again today I know we've been -- we've been last week -- -- good guest I hope you will be understanding and forgiving.
Of that fact on the hunt with Jonathan Hunt is up next.
And -- some recompense we will leave you today as we'd like to do every day.
With the word from our friend Charles.
But Danny hasn't -- -- to essentially warned Republicans.
Not to make this into a political.
Event when what we're talking about is the IRS -- applying.
Political criteria -- excuse we unconstitutionally.
In deciding who it's going to investigate.
So I found this you know the bare minimum it'll hold him for twelve hours but no more.
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