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Sure the American people that nobody in the White House.
Knew about the agency's actions before your counsel's office found out on April 22.
When they did -- now do you think that you should -- learned about it before you learned about it on news report.
My main concern is fixing a problem.
And we began that process yesterday about.
And accepting the resignation.
The acting director there.
-- -- make sure that.
I answer specific questions.
I can assure you.
I certainly did not know anything.
BIG report before the IG.
Report had been leaked through press.
President Obama in the Rose Garden in the rain today.
Answering a question about the IRS scandal White House announcing -- Dan were full will become the new IRS commissioner he will become.
The new IRS commissioner next week because the current.
Acting IRS commissioner who.
Was apparently fired or forced resignation yesterday Stephen Miller.
He will still be in the job for another week he doesn't leave until the 22.
We're told by have close associate of his quote -- Miller was scheduled to leave the acting commissioner role in early June.
And to retire a couple months later anyway.
He remains the acting commissioner at least until next week -- the resignation so trumpeted by the present yesterday.
Was mostly theater.
We'll begin there let's bring in our -- Jonah Goldberg -- large editor of national review online Juan Williams columnist with the hill and syndicated columnist Charles -- Hey -- well.
It was usually -- but let me say up front I'm really enjoying the media equivalent of the Arab Spring it's a very exciting time.
To see the press core interest in this job all of a sudden.
I thought I don't know that.
President Obama put much of anything away today.
Those -- interest in the -- and the peace we saw.
He was asked about when he knew or anyone else in the White House knew.
About these abuses at the IRS and he answered well I didn't know anything about the IG report until last week.
Let's not the question that was asked.
And it caused them cause a lot of people to -- -- their eyebrows and say well maybe.
People in the White House actually did know about this quite a bit earlier.
Then they're letting on and I think that's the kind of thing that sort of chum the water for the White House a little bit.
You know while we try -- clarification of that Jay Carney has said the White House didn't know what the how the president answered it has obviously raised eyebrows across Washington.
Right you know I think people are looking for any slight thing any indication here.
But it's pretty slim Pickens at that point I think what the -- you heard from the president today you know we took several questions was a real sense that.
When it comes through the IRS he feels that he has taken action to begin a process to.
Repair the damage it's been done in terms the trust of the American people trust that was preached.
For people on the left and right the idea that the IRS would be used in political terms.
I think the larger story here about Miller in the fact that he's not leaving for another week you know what he was going to -- was the acting commissioner is the -- -- powers that you think target.
For any reprimand and obviously he's been reprimanded his name is now associated with -- -- you have to concede that it's not too much of -- reprimand if he was going to -- you are -- you know he was the acting commissioner they didn't have a police still -- -- what exactly -- for a few days.
I mean if you wanted to go back I mean he's still acting commissioner until next Wednesday -- for the next few days so if you wanted to go back in time I mean you get to go back to win this scandal started then you had another IRS commissioner that guy is gone.
We what we'll see is Miller will be up on Capitol Hill tomorrow so I pointed.
Well the characterization that it was this big move.
And then we had the east room announcement.
The guy I was going to leave his post in early June and he was -- the IRS couple months later votes like a -- there -- there's.
-- -- -- slowest learners Eleanor -- business owner Charles.
The firings -- fox.
It was a minimum he could do it turned out -- really didn't have any means.
And that's not a guy who's behind Willis there we if you wanna win back the -- -- American people.
You've got to answer the question where -- the Cincinnati guys and people in Washington get the idea.
That -- the authorization in the instruction who knows that they wake up in the morning Minnesota would have been -- Tea Party -- on their own.
I mean this is highly implausible and I agree with what Jonas had the president's answer that question.
Was he wasn't nixonian it was clintonian.
He was being asked -- anybody in the White House you know he doesn't answer the anybody in the -- sisters died.
If there was nobody in a white as he should've said nobody knew but he didn't he said just died and he didn't say he was asked that.
The IRS taxes you didn't see I didn't know that the that's actually he says I didn't know about the IG report.
Well if you didn't know about any of this never heard any complaints.
That he would have said -- -- an -- thing about this at all.
The IG is a peculiar answer.
By a guy who has now we have seen for weeks now he had his children and parsing words -- the way that make.
Clinton look and sophisticated.
So I think it really is a question and the other question which -- did not answer if his own counsel learns about -- three weeks before.
How can the council -- and it would any of us heard about this we knew instantly it's a massive scandal.
So he's council hears about this and doesn't tell the president for three weeks about what is obviously a massive scam.
So White House communication director Dan Pfeiffer was on CNN just moments ago and said that they didn't find out they learned that the IG was investigating -- three weeks ago.
Not the details just an investigation was taking place -- only acted when they got all of the information they weren't going to rely on hearsay or media reports and didn't tell.
Yes Carol I welcome back up a little bit on this because I couldn't imagine the Contra factual imagine if progressive groups are gay groups -- black civil rights groups.
We're going to their congressmen and the senators in going to New York Times saying -- -- being persecuted by the -- IRS going back two years.
Does anyone believe.
That -- White House would spend two years rolling their eyes saying nothing's going on there.
-- believe that no one would pick up the phone and try to get to the bottom of this I mean still it's interesting that within five presence in the last three weeks.
But it's because that was the tea parties can conservatives.
That the New York Times editorial board essentially celebrated.
Discrimination against the -- against -- these groups.
And if it -- been almost any other member of the political -- the White House would have done more to actually get to the bottom find out what was going on you know.
Word on this I mean come on Dan Pfeiffer saying that they didn't tell the president because they wanted to wait for more details but.
If you hear that the IG's invest in the IRS in something as explosive as this doesn't somebody in a meeting somewhere saying hey boss we've got something that.
May hit the fan at some point.
I don't know I'm not in -- got guys that -- Now let me just as a matter come -- or Washington I'm kind of taken America has been focused I think -- The idea that the IRS would be involved in politics is indefensible but obviously I'm taken aback by the conversation -- because.
-- -- -- The Supreme Court never ruled in Citizens United -- change the rules so that all these very political groups.
Could apply for a 501 C four status and then use it.
Disclose donors and to become involved in political activities and that's what the I -- was after they were engaged in trying to.
Impose rules at a time when it was the wild wild west out there.
And they go after you didn't see it only on the right you know they they were doing it specifically most of the -- -- anybody first of all nobody got denied any tax exempt status yeah secondly all overwhelmingly.
The applications were coming from the right Charles believes they denied nobody on the left.
They just -- nobody on the right -- they they just one half years later they -- nobody yet but it through to election cycles it justice delayed is justice denied performing every.
And -- people not an election.
And many say well when we're gonna kick the can down the road to election -- down later.
Again this is a small number given the number of -- there was one guy who filed for a for effort -- for a -- approval.
It took him speak to -- what -- -- seventeen months he gave up and then he -- applied with another group.
Called greenhouse solutions and he got in three weeks there's clearly a discrimination going on -- surprised they were trying to impose rules on in lawless system with no rules to him.
-- that you're targeting -- -- that's patriot.
Everything they were wrong to in fact used Tea Party patient because then it became applied simply too conservative groups and instead of to everybody should have been everybody because the system was haywire at that point.
And I understand your point.
The pointless discriminating some on -- -- and made them wait a year or two or three and that is not over ideological discrimination.
It was not again I mean I I think it's not right to do politically but the fact is that you have overwhelmingly not to -- period full stop it's not right to do politically.
Correct or legal.
No and that's why we're all here having this discussion but again the context is.
The Supreme Court ruling in the fact that there were no rules at least 501 C three organization okay.
It was a heated discussion.
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