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Leaks related to national security.
Put people at risk.
-- put men and women in uniform that I sent into the battlefield at risk.
They can put.
Some of our intelligence officers -- various dangerous situations that are easily compromised.
And Obama at yesterday's grisly press conference with the prime minister of Turkey.
And this is power play and I am Chris Farrell and happy.
No tie Friday to you -- certain acts.
And the president there was talking about.
Even asked about a very aggressive perhaps unprecedented -- aggressive.
Seizure of records from the Associated Press.
And he's -- said he couldn't talk about.
That investigation which he.
But he said that in general and the concept of when you're trying to find who's leaking things to the press you have to go pretty aggressively.
It's -- lives -- on the line.
Well -- has a counter argument today.
Telling the Washington Post that it wasn't lives that were on the line -- -- got the all clear on the national security implications but it was instead a publicity effort.
That was at risk for the president in the midst of an election year.
And that his national security team wanted to claim credit for this and that the AP leaves open the -- brought possibility that they were being punished that that they were punished.
And their sources were punished for not letting the president's national security team have.
We will talk about that indeed and we'll talk about the astonishing.
That is going out and for the house Ways and Means Committee.
As the soon to be former.
I guess that's what we -- acting.
Director of the Internal Revenue Service.
Members of the house Ways and Means Committee about who -- when where -- -- now as it relates to the targeted enforcement.
The tax code against.
Conservative groups president's political adversaries and something that I know you're -- want to stick around for we have a gentleman who.
Wants to lead an -- to march on Washington DC yes that is right.
We'll talk and they'll be here we'll discuss all of that and war.
And you know why am confident that we will be able to do that with a good humor bother me.
Juan Williams is here that's why that's why -- we can with one that anything is possible.
One of course is a Fox News political analyst yes he is a columnist at the hill yes this is also true do you have a bit more.
-- -- title at the Hilton that we're just -- just grounds you should make them do.
People now have such huge titles and all of these publications you should demand like you're saying your super awesome Kong.
Well I can't be super awesome given that you're still here whoa yeah I tell you.
You know I tell them today and I told him that he looks like Robert Wagner without.
I -- an early age getting on the edge depending on the age.
Robert Wagner that is possible.
But the other thing that you can do with -- about -- is read his piece that he is foxnews.com.
I think today about the real culprits he says.
The IRS scandal.
That are those who took advantage of the tax code.
What we're supposed to be public interest things and political thing.
So and the and the Supreme Court which didn't even say hey here are the rules and I think anybody can do anything and then now you get these -- guys getting -- but you know.
Supreme court's pretty powerful they -- said -- the rules here's what's politics here's what all they can't say that they.
They can't say here's the new tax code and I don't know but they couldn't defined sound to some degree what's politics Warren asked that the legislature gives them.
That's true but congress could they could do it if they want to but they don't like to do that -- because.
It involves they are elections and -- yeah.
You're welcome back -- -- -- come back to that question.
But before we come back that which I do want to explore this.
A big revelation a big move forward -- this DOJ story this as the AP not known for in making intemperate statements.
Told the Washington Post that.
-- One knows this because he's done this and I've done this when you work when you've got to scoop and you go to confront.
There is always the chance that person with whom you want to confirm it says.
Okay it's true but you can't bring it out today -- you're gonna -- kills us you can't bring that today so let's say you knew who Mitt Romney was gonna that is running.
And you called nonsense that you -- -- the campaigns I know it's going to be all right and it's enough.
Don't go with it today but if you wait until tomorrow right.
Will give you a full interview with the Mitt Romney and Bryant together we'll give you this but you've got to wait a day.
And reporters make those deals all the all the time it's I did everybody did there's nothing wrong.
It's -- -- -- the currency and implicit in that as a threat on both sides.
One side said the threat from the campaign or that or the public official is if you burn me.
You'll never get anything ever again I'll cut you off.
And from the reporter it is if you burn me and I read this in my competitor tomorrow I'll go to war Bobby after.
And so that's that's how that goes but what's being alleged against this the white house on the Department of Justice thing something different right.
-- -- -- -- -- And then subsequent to that.
Found out that the white pass it goes through the national security issue has been resolved the CIA.
Right and now.
We just want.
To have you hold it in terms of -- so when we can make the announcement about the fact that this plot has been for.
Right and that's different.
That is a different thing.
But then the worm turns again.
And basically with the HP is saying this is they're only doing it by inference.
Because it's not provable thing could you don't know the motives of people but what they're saying is.
Because they refuse to play ball they're suggesting that because they refuse to play ball on the timing of this release in the middle of an election year.
So that John Brennan who has been the chief counterterrorism got the president.
Could go out and blow the bugle and say.
You know the killer of Osama bin Laden has struck again and we have.
Who supported this terror attack.
That because the -- he stepped on their story.
That this was a punitive that this was you who do that this was a punishment that this scouring -- records that it has everybody's so shocked -- town was.
Punishment correct and that's where the AP I think is putting itself in a very difficult situation I'm sort of surprised to -- that because.
You know ATP is.
Supposed to be independent it's it's basically owned by all the news media it's the associated press and now they're -- a fight with the White House and it's a very difficult.
But do you think you've got to be sympathetic to them I mean if you feel like you've got muscle like this if the broker has the report as you've been there when you get when somebody puts the strong arm on him.
Then the question is how do I react when the strong arm that uses -- as a reporter -- strong -- that you suspect.
Is the Department of Justice that's like double -- -- -- -- You know we were -- -- just talking a moment ago about.
Having been through these situations -- I've been on the witness stand and subpoenaed I understand the power of you lawyers and the prosecutors here.
Because we have no special protection as reporters like the ordinary citizen if we have knowledge of a crime.
You know what we have to testify our own records can be subpoenaed our notebooks can be subpoenaed so so -- I don't think it's OK I hit I -- -- because I think it makes it harder.
For sources to deal with -- you know -- -- -- protect.
That and and that's where they talk about shield law.
That's what's been discussed there I go back and forth on the subject but we believe you're dealing with the department of justice and you had been at odds with the administration and you find it.
Over this same issue.
The Department of Justice has done something that is so surprising is this as to take all of these records without any advance warning for two months.
A hundred reporters lawyers and all this stuff.
It wouldn't cause one to wonder what -- Yes I mean clearly lets you know for the sake every argument let's give the administration or do -- -- the reason the president says that he will not apologize if this is that he.
That this was and and Eric holder's that this is a tremendous tremendous threat to the American people that the act would have blown up an airplane subsequent and also they had it.
A resource and asked that -- supply.
Double agent apparently inside.
Africa who was working for them and his identity.
Would have been disclosed he would have been able to go back -- -- wait.
Anyway I don't let -- -- -- day breakfast they had the story I had to back that they had Astoria means that there was a leak.
But -- Bill Wilson who wisely.
She graciously follows me on Twitter says five people is an investigation 100 is -- fishing expedition.
Holder -- it and wanted no part.
-- Just say okay.
All right Internet.
You are a -- you are a Twitter in the chatter about what is happening.
In this hearing.
Miller from the IRS -- we will not make you wait much longer.
We come back we will talk about what he said and definitely -- -- it in -- adhering to stick around.
-- behalf of the Internal Revenue Service for the mistakes that we made in the course service we provide.
-- organizations and the American public deserve better.
And that modified limited hang out came from Stephen Miller testifying at the house Ways and Means Committee hearing.
Which is still ongoing which you people.
In the chat are talking about so much.
And this is power play and what mr.
Miller basically saying -- -- let me do it shorter.
What he's saying is mean there was no target and there was no political targeting of anybody.
It is so happens that the people who were getting there -- him.
Grills busted by the IRS.
Were conservative groups is coincidental because there were -- proliferation of these groups and it was a misunderstanding.
Not a conspiracy they're sorry for poor customer service moving out.
That of course is causing many heads to explode.
Paul Ryan particularly today has been.
-- what's I think is the technical term for what he has been today.
Not for cuts though -- able to sort this out still -- Juan Williams but joining us now is Stephen -- he is with the White House correspondent for roll call that makes him today a Smart person that makes him fair minded journalist and welcome guest -- -- brigadier okay what's it.
It is a tough.
So the question the question is this mr.
Retiring a week early.
As a result of this week or ten days early he's leaving his post or somebody else that the IRS is taking an early retirement.
But he is trying to hold the same line that we heard from.
We heard from the president yesterday we heard from bunch of administration spokespeople that this is not a targeting this is not a conspiracy this is bad customer service.
And it just so happens that the the recipients of that -- -- -- to be the president's enemies and that and that's the end of it is that gonna stick.
I think it's going to be very.
Hard for that sick not just because of the smell test.
You know there's -- smell test of the -- does -- smell like well you have dozens and dozens of conservative groups.
Deny the status by.
There applications to -- -- -- justice delayed is justice denied in their justice was delayed for months and years in some cases.
Past that the election that they were probably hoping to participate I think there's and there's there's not just that there was the targeting it was also organize your degree a lot of this for members of congress they're very.
Very angry that they didn't hear about this until.
Just a few days ago.
You know mr.
Miller and other officials of the -- knew this before the election.
You know and didn't say -- let me call congress -- -- correct my -- literally -- and say sabathia right correct my testimony and say you know since then -- found out that we actually did do this.
And it was a problem to imagine if this had happened.
Three months before -- election six months before they elect Obama would have been a huge firestorm.
It did not come out.
You know it certainly looks like smells like a cover -- Yeah and and the question on you know for -- for the president the most important thing is telling people.
-- these people may have been my adversaries they may have been my political foes but this was nothing I wanted to have happen.
Right he needs he needs to to make sure that he can make clear.
That though it may have been done to his benefit it was not at his behest.
Yeah and I think he's done and I think he's been very clear that he thinks this is an acceptable shameful.
Behavior and it's not to be applied to your political friends are -- to your political -- and in fact I think you heard some of that today you know.
From people who were talking about making a suggestion -- Bush Administration gone after NAACP.
Some of these church groups.
That they viewed as antagonistic to their interest.
So I think that's what the Democrats response is going to be that you know we've got to have the IRS as -- Neutral arbiter here player in the game.
But don't day isn't it necessary and I -- -- -- hear from India it companies say.
That the or mourns the -- it seems to me that this is a moment where.
Swift and perhaps rough justice is required for an administration when you have a concern about something like this that in order to keep public confidence in the IRS.
-- to a lot of confidence begin.
Bill Clinton as if we think back to is administration.
Scored a lot of political points by going and kicking the stuffing out of the IRS and he gave them overseers.
Audience and -- -- advocates.
And did all kinds of stuff to crack down on the IRS and people love that.
Because they feel like they're getting a fair shake the president so far Stephen hasn't done anything he's taken this guy who is bound to leave at the beginning of June.
And moved up his departure.
By a week.
Although theoretically could -- stick around because you know I don't -- that clearly could have been reappointed.
You could have been.
Got another you know -- 150000 dollar a year job of -- RS -- could have you know so his career basically is -- it until he goes to a private law -- well a million dollars.
-- -- That's yeah but I I do think the White House is trying to say hey look heads are rolling.
We knew nothing about it.
That the key issue here is the White House is saying they did not have any inkling of this until April 22 or so -- the council the White House counsel is sort of concluded that there was something going on.
But -- did the White House counsel for some reason -- didn't tell the president for a few weeks.
And if I.
I was president I would be in -- there was a lot of bad things that the American collector but I would also be infuriated.
If my counsel at my official lawyer you have something.
That is a neutron bomb a a popular opinion neutron bomb and didn't tell me -- say.
Looks like there was some shenanigans that the IRS heads up I would -- -- want -- know is that I concern putting one into effect a strategy.
So that win the bubble burst I would say.
Meet my Republican and scouring pad that I'm going to bring in here at the IRS and do all kinds of stuff.
Yet now that -- that the line that comes from the White House is that they accepted the IRS they explanation which is.
That you know this is a technical matter -- -- Dealing with them and the illusion of applications here.
And if you look at it none of them has been denied and all we're doing is trying to find out a way to filter out ones are legitimate and not legitimate.
And so that was the way that it was conveyed and then the big news I think for the White House came with.
But there's an inspector general's report on the way right there -- my dad -- wait a second and that's apparently when the news was conveyed to President Obama.
Now what about him in this the fact.
Woman who was previously and he gets complicated inside these seamy underbelly of bureaucracy but the woman who previously ran the office that's at the center of this scandal.
-- it was wearing two -- for awhile and now is just solely in charge of the office that's in charge of implementing.
Actually from the tax portion of the president's health law.
And that that looks bad that doesn't look.
Good it doesn't look good but I think it you know.
-- -- -- Careful of jumping to conclusions that any one person right you know is necessarily.
Responsible for one piece of it but it we're gonna have a lot of investigation is whether how deeply she was involved.
Or not certainly isn't great the administration have this title -- -- There are -- in the meantime would there be some benefit -- saying I'm not saying you did anything wrong.
But maybe this is not the right job for you at this moment maybe there's somebody who is untouched.
In every way by this to put in charge of such a controversial.
And delicate political maneuver is the president stuff.
Well you see where what's happening here is Republicans I think this week have -- scored big points by saying.
This whole scandal -- is the idea the government is too big and his government is over reaching and intrusive in our lives.
And what does this it.
This fits exactly with obamacare and Republican objections to obamacare.
And I think we'll hear that -- I think part of that argument -- is how can the IRS be put in charge of this and don't forget this week the 37 vote to repeal obamacare so.
It fits this larger.
Nick narrative that I think has played so well for the Republicans -- -- Greg saying asks do we know if there was really huge surge in these applications yes are you have your little huge there was such as every week keep in mind you assist -- -- -- this was.
They -- you -- yeah this was win the Tea Party movement was exploding.
It's not surprising that.
These applications coming in and keep mine also came after Citizens United there's -- -- that this was a everybody knew this was the way to basically do politics and get tax exempt status and not have to disclose it donors that that -- -- -- you know.
There was a gold rush basically there and that.
Of the gold rush came from conservatives.
Who were excited.
At the time in terms of their antipathy to Obama can anyone match.
Mad as -- about the president's health wise woman says.
And there were also as Republicans that we're ready to spend enough money as we as -- -- deputy -- -- elephant.
In order to -- it right.
Yeah well I think one problem here for the for the Democrats is the congressional Democrats from the senate finance chairman on down we'll.
We're saying -- at the time hey IRS you need to investigate these groups.
These groups aren't really you know.
Text shouldn't be tax exempt you need to crack down on these groups that this is of particular division was under pressure from senate Democrats.
And the president's allies outside of CE congress to crack down.
Who will rid me of these of this excellent -- east.
Say -- the campaign I think that's her gentlemen.
You'll may have never burned two elephants but you guys are expected might ask you for making time for us -- -- at least you didn't want you're not allowed to go yeah.
Today I think yeah OK yeah.
Well -- well we'll see what it takes the light it up.
Because we come back.
We have with -- gentlemen blue.
Wants to lead a march on Washington where the right to bear arms as well beyond visible display it is causing some actually -- Here in the nation's capital to talk to him about why -- -- all that good stuff so stick around.
And those -- that tramples scenes that.
Tourists are accustomed to when they visit the nation's capital the monuments the mall.
All of that good stuff and nine dollar hot dogs and -- in the summer sun and all of those things.
And this is power play.
And up ahead there may be a different scene on those normally placid streets.
Act as a group of gun rights enthusiasts supporters Second Amendment folks.
I'd say that they need to demonstrate that the right to bear arms for American citizens extends all the way up to the front door of the White House as they want to lead.
But are under protest march in Washington DC it's causing.
It comes Lama in the city that as these theory.
Very stringent gun laws so we thought he talked to the man himself please welcome meet and know Adam -- cash he is.
The host now what does Adam vs the man -- -- -- show podcast fighters that we can YouTube channel -- televisions pretty whoever capsules.
Love the future -- -- exactly or in my case that -- but I -- it's okay.
And Juan Williams is with -- still and one year resident of this district I am I -- -- -- -- and some sort of got to do better guns guns -- guns are not generally considered cool here despite recent court cases.
Heller case -- and with ballot case that was that rules here were to restrict.
The fact yeah and that you have the right to own a gun in the District of Columbia but I must tell you we still.
It would still be hard for you -- put an -- to find a place that -- the -- I'm ready can't -- yet you can't buy I live in Virginia where they got out but yeah.
It's it's hard in DC so -- In DC it is if you're going to.
Charleston, West Virginia.
You could walk down the street without any fear much of with it within with a -- held -- the -- Washington.
It's a difference.
Well unfortunately even that's not quite true because throughout the nation we have a police state -- out of control where officers act with immunity often times and don't respect the individual right to keep and bear arms we've seen.
Cases like in -- temple Texas with Chris -- an active duty soldier.
Who was accosted and arrested by police for hiking with his son with an -- fifteen and that's an important part about this but we wanna change.
Is the relationship of the people to government and make sure that they understand that.
Government works for us not the other way around and putting them on notice and one of the ways we are doing this and already this event has been a huge victory I think for for the people we have.
Exposed DC chief of police Cathy Lanier.
As an outright criminal for saying that she's gonna violate the Supreme Court orders she is gonna have that she's threatened to arrest let's see how she wanted people -- -- -- -- we have over 4000 that are specifically RC he'd already how many of those you know we will run we kind of small fraction of that that we can count on.
But we've got a lot more now that this has become a major national story we have people who have we've hundreds of emails a few who -- Organizing buses even to come around be here on Independence Day.
Now one there's only some people upset right makes -- -- -- -- a resident has a vision of Columbia but in general I mean you know -- all -- by the way.
Your idea of holding get government accountable.
But I think the idea that you would have people marching through the streets with guns especially Washington where we're so polarized the rise angry at everybody.
It sounds like an invitation to bloodshed.
Well that's a typical argument that a liberal would make if you believe that guns are dangerous and guns are inherently dangerous as as inanimate objects.
But if you believe that a -- wielded by someone responsibly and you know that if someone is.
Carried in the open they're doing it without any deception.
That -- they're doing so because it's in their interest and in self defense in defense of others.
And if if you believe in that liberal argument that guns are inherently dangerous you might say that but as as as.
You know someone who believes that guns -- in the best interest of public safety.
I think that one of the things we are demonstrating with this.
Is that responsible gun owners can do this and can be safe and if anything this is going to be the safest political event in American history you have people coming in open caring and being public about and we're gonna have more cameras than any other demonstration that we that we are.
I would imagine the media would be all over and I think that's acquired after starlet had human being discussed it but let's just say that I think the law is on the -- -- you say the chief.
Isn't outlook so tell me why because I think that she has the -- -- her -- Well what is the laws that the constitution is -- no -- an open -- and through the streets of Washington.
-- which is the laws -- the constitution is that the DC all I see you're you're saying you don't agree with the DC law and you decide to.
You unilaterally can thwart that well no I believe the constitution is the supreme law went.
Yeah and the constitution says you have a right to bear arms but that -- according to -- Heller decision by the Supreme Court local jurisdictions do have a right.
To put limits in terms of how guys are.
Bought purchased carry concealed in -- that I -- so it's that it's scheduled for the fourth of July right yes sir you think it's gone ahead this hasn't happened this is well.
We are we are.
We are hoping that -- Ben -- Obama will issued orders stand down and we'll get permission we'll get a police escort will be able.
To conduct our marches planned around the capital of the Supreme Court the White House and back peacefully down constitution avenue to Virginia.
But barring that we're gonna marks up to the line we're gonna demand passage.
And declare our intent and if we are physically barred we will peacefully disperse and we will see the chief -- course.
You combatants is absolute.
But I will find that goes on thank you got -- an unbelievable story save their ego apparently.
That's why the Internet comes here as an Internet -- is no word from Charles as you can -- all of that.
I'm I'm sorry but it's just the way it is I knew you'd want to know that.
But feels he can -- but for tonight.
But have this in recompense.
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