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The radical elements of Islam are defining mistake this is not the true faith and Judy this is your client that this is not real Islam right.
Yeah yeah I think and and the but I do.
Tried to elaborate on that a bit that -- the battle between violent and nonviolent but ultimately we have a significant leadership problem with the -- Intellectual source of the -- globally being corrupted by an Islamic theocratic mindset.
But ultimately -- Islam itself -- The comments -- -- nonviolent.
With a quarter of the world's population following the faith of Islam I think the world would appear so long time ago.
And the problem -- a lot of history and one of lack of reform and enlightenment.
And as Bernard Lewis talked about and that a a book they -- -- what went wrong and in my book the battle for the bullets fly and I -- quite how.
We've basically been stagnating since the twelfth the fourteenth century and not had to reform and the need to separate.
Hopkins stated that until we do that we can't contextualize the battle it simply being I want.
At Muslim nonviolent good -- on that actually that the moderates are those that can't -- the informant and that comes out of their brother couldn't get out of Hamas.
I don't know -- that Saudi Arabia to modify -- -- -- a better and that's the real battle.
I don't I don't what do you think about what does that he was just talking about that this is about a political issue not a religious issue.
Well I would agree with doctor -- -- without a doubt some the moderate Muslims who are the majority in the world and in any basically country exists.
Unfortunately they're being silence usually by the minority a lot of the radicals now I grew up as a radical myself.
And the unfortunate thing is that radical -- usually.
Try to impose their interpretation.
On the majority Muslims -- by way of intimidation sometimes.
By way -- what I call intellectual.
Religious intellectual -- -- the by telling them listen we know how to interpret the scripture we know what the prophet -- we know what the history of as -- -- therefore you must follow us.
And if you refuse -- you'll end up being harmed as well and sometimes they're being labeled zionist.
As people are being agents for the west and so on and so forth.
Don't fortunate thing is that the majority of those radicals.
Tend to believe that they are the followers of the true faith of Islam that -- version of Islam I certainly believe -- when I was growing up that way until of course I was in light and then.
And it began to realize that there is another side but I have to be -- -- But we have to also understand.
That's and unless we separate between at the -- commands found in the -- and peaceful commands found in the -- Ron and other scripture of course I want you to the -- on.
And is and that Islam in general -- -- we are able to separate between the two.
We're never gonna be able to give the moderate the platform that they need there is always going to be this past about aggressive.
Behavior all on the majority of people who want to use this political correctness to empower unfortunately the radicals like the Muslim Brotherhood and the one hobbies and so on what.
How do you believe that that that Islam is -- -- peaceful religion because I think that's what we're trying to get at one of the things -- we would we see in today is that we've got these two faces of Islam one is where violent when it -- is very.
What is very peaceful and both believe that they are interpreting the truth about Islam is Islam a peaceful religion.
If you ask me the personal -- as a radical I would say Islam is only peaceful according to the theology you radical Islam when Islam becomes the dominant religion.
I now Kenny -- become a peaceful religion of course it down like -- -- if we separate the commands for violent them put -- in historical context and I try to show them.
That those were only for certain events at certain times of history.
Then yes the answer would be indeed as long can be a peaceful religion can tolerate other religions on live.
And and every area basically accept and others but that's not the reality unfortunately.
And -- what -- things you talked about though also is the idea of narrative you know the Christian Christian faith -- a very simple narrative you know it's that.
You know we have with a fallen nature and god sacrificed his son Jesus to restore the fractured relationship to redeem us that's the narrative.
Of the Christian Bible from beginning to end what is the narrative of Islam.
Well I think that the is that the primary question is that proposal that -- -- -- -- -- that it be a person of theocracy and Arafat is in the best in the Middle East the narrative that we learned a foot of morality and -- them.
Keeping a personal faith and being the face of example.
And if anything this sense that there's no separation between faith and faith.
You know the Christian world that -- 17189.
Years and folder of the competition that rendered under either would -- -- -- and in the dog would have gotten.
And I do think in the -- -- we can and we have to defeat this confident that the Islamic state.
I would sit through it out of this club that that there might be some good parts of the crime -- bad part of our on.
I think the -- on an Arabic almost a -- pretty much agree is the word of god.
And the question is that there are set is that talk about just war.
And the problem with the ball but bombers with -- process.
Was the -- Saudi Arabia with the Muslim Brotherhood.
Is it their narrative is that.
One of Islam or patriotism that.
That being -- big cities and is equal to being a faithful Muslim and that's when you met that the military -- becomes what is your citizenship become wedded to.
Nationalism in the anti Americanism -- is really mind that.
Richard I was an American who served in the US navy.
My -- -- personal loyalty to America was never conflict was so called a problem patriotism because my -- Probably against the Islamic state.
Because I I looked -- a country that.
Didn't the most freedom to practice my faith that was not an Islamic state and we don't want -- -- -- involvement I -- whether -- 1% of the population.
Or 90% I want I.
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