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Well you're outraged by the evidence coming out that the iris was being used as an ideological.
And force -- bipartisan -- within the government you may be even more -- to discover that some of those responsible.
Were actually paid bonuses for their work -- your tax dollars.
Hi everybody I'm Dave has been one a week -- -- our parks let's go into focus the Michael -- Morgan Brennan Rick -- and Sabrina Schaeffer about Rick this is usually Steve Forbes this job to start on this subject but.
-- do you believe that these individuals who have screwed up so and measurably deserve bonuses.
And I feel this great need to start talking about the flat tax and -- -- -- about what I -- I will reward I will resisted this and believe it or not I actually think -- this whole bonus idea is a very bad idea.
Particularly as it's applied to the IRS -- you remember what we had a situation where private health insurance companies when they were bowed to see their adjusters.
They were paying them to deny claims so obviously they were motivated to turn people down who had a right to get it.
I have a very similar problem with IRS agents being paid.
To collect more money.
But I'll tell you the great surprise that I can -- this will operate -- importers of drugs but I tell you the great shot do you know who favors bonus and federal government employee who I was done.
The heritage foundation of all places I wanna quickly regional war won't take what -- -- an agent of inherited throughout.
Expected that I'm not use that -- read a quote rarely technically very very quickly from Jane shirt senior economist there is a very good reason to have bonuses.
We should shift the distribution of a less towards base -- To bonuses this yeah -- right.
Mike goes Iranian and the fact is is that lowest learners she's a woman who is in charge of tax examiner exemption -- the she got a 42000.
Dollar bonus are several -- bonuses adding up to over 40000 dollars.
Last week she gave a bunch of information out there just wasn't true.
Are her predecessor by the -- -- are all Ingram got a 100000 dollars in bonuses over three or four years all told.
92 million dollars in bonuses went out to iris officials is that wrong David you're trying to get us -- audited I think on the -- today -- -- -- you they've already out there are very clearly that's.
Got your number admired but I would agree with The Heritage Foundation.
I think in general.
Government employee pay proportionally.
Should shift more towards bonuses which strict performance metrics.
In a situation like that you -- encourage government employees to perform better but as far as the IRS know obviously in this case they don't deserve it's a pretty -- It around for any kind of metrics in which somebody behaved well and I don't see it.
That's that's exactly my thought this is not we're not -- a market here right there's no competitor for those thinking government.
I'm so what are they being judged on are they being judged on the number of conservative groups that they -- -- -- this seems to have some serious conflicts of interest.
-- like the idea of making government employees actually less a fact that I think I don't wanna do anything that would encourage him to be more active and I don't understand how or even.
Something like 92 million dollars worth of bonuses this seems very concerning to me and.
And you know Morgan it's not only the cash and bonuses it's also getting bumped up and getting recognize they even give awards to some of the people involved in this.
Sara -- Graham by the way guess what she's doing now they're gonna talk about this and in the next half hour she is now managing the iris role in obamacare.
So people are actually and she was the one under whose two -- all this stuff began.
A -- well you know what I I think work.
Mixing this up there's a few bad eggs that got -- says.
I don't think everybody should have their bonuses axed altogether the truth of the matter is the Allenby is already putting can't you know clamps down and sequestration has a big part of -- -- On the bonuses that go out to people in the government.
-- there's also legislation hard cap some of these bonuses like I think what we're talking about -- navy.
Perhaps slightly dated here and that being said I I also think that you need to have bonuses which in many cases and the government are tied.
TU performance already I think it did -- need to have this house.
Though to be competitive with the -- -- but.
-- you look at the people who got -- as the first of all all of the major players who have been involved in.
In bad business whether it was ideological mismanagement whatever it is finally discovered to -- they all got bonuses it was it was just sort of a matter of course here.
I do have to say in the case in this -- I do hope she's seen for bonus money because I have a funny feeling.
She may be out of work in the next few hours are all -- there I -- So at at Al -- and at that it's truly an extraordinary week because debris and I agreed if I'm not mistaken which have I don't think has ever happened.
Look all the way around -- But -- in the federal government just doesn't make sense eighties people well expected to do a good job they do a bad shot get rid of them the voters is don't.
But Sabrina what bothers -- Sabrina what bothers me about this whole thing is that everything seemed to be on the matter of course I mean this is just don't know eight.
They did a business and of course the president I bumped up Sara hall Graham appointing her to be in charge of the obamacare.
IRS role at the soldiers.
This is such a dangerous moment in -- it's because the social contract.
Between the people who pay taxes and the government.
In my eyes has been broken by this scandal is the president capable of fixing it after -- promoted and gave bonuses to these people.
Why I think that that's that the issue here is that we're have a serious trust issue and the president has been trying to distance themselves -- -- axes because this didn't happen -- in the walls of the White House sometimes somehow he is immune from any kind of -- here.
But the reality is he sets the tone for that for the whole administration and this.
Massive big government and massive regulatory state is his Avant responsibility and I think he has a lot of sort of healing to do it the American people as saying.
You know what I'm not gonna give bonuses if he wanted to find out who's behind -- -- I don't think some bureaucrat in Cincinnati woke up one day and said hey guess what I'm gonna start going after some of these Tea Party groups -- that's that's an interesting I want an -- -- Stephen Miller who is under the grill on Friday about all this spoke to this point I believe we have -- SoundBite from network where he talked about whether there was part of whether this was just mismanagement.
Or whether it was partisanship let's play this out.
I do not believe that partisanship motivated the people who engaged in the practice as described in the treasury inspector general's report.
Now I don't they did this to me the definition.
Of partisanship when you single people out on the basis of their ideology that's.
Mike I think what this problem really shows this is the problem with big and growing government.
You know and particularly when the present -- United States as a fan of big government.
This is what you get this is why you've had so many scandals whether it's would create he whether it's -- Ghazi.
No matter what you've had this less and less accountability is government gets bigger and bigger and bigger.
You go ahead you wanted to say -- -- I just wanted to say I don't think the president -- and the partisan issue as much as it's an issue about who.
Gives political donations and whether their names have to be revealed and -- process that's getting.
-- tell you I don't care who the president is under these circumstances the higher -- is clearly.
Dysfunctional by the way -- -- was promoted under George Bush as well she got certain bonuses so.
It is it's just that dysfunctional agency if -- get away with us and be promoted on the basis of our -- we got a rapid at -- thank you very much.
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