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You mentioned targeting based on bomb buzz words like Tea Party are patriots are 912.
You do that but you didn't mention this to the -- do you not think that that's a very incomplete answer.
I answered the question truthfully.
Congressman Paul Ryan asking the acting IRS commissioner Stephen Miller.
Why he didn't tell congress a year -- got when he found out there were serious questions about the I arrests targeting conservative groups.
Congressman Ryan joins us now from Janesville Wisconsin to talk about the IRS scandal and president Obama's other problems congressman welcome back.
They -- -- Chris good morning well let's start with your question to acting commissioner Miller why do you think that he and other top officials did not tell congress when -- learned.
You're a gallon may have 2012 about the political targeting of conservative groups do think this is just a bureaucracy trying to protect itself.
What do you think it had something to do with the fact that we are right in the middle of a presidential -- back.
Well I don't know the answer that question and I'm not gonna necessarily speculate we're gonna investigate and find the answer that question.
Chris what we do now know is that for roughly two years the IRS was targeting.
Americans based upon the political beliefs.
What we do now know is that the IRS misled congress into senate Ways and Means Committee -- this investigation about two years ago.
These questions BI arrests and they withheld this information.
So that's what we now know.
So we're going to continue its investigation gets a bottomless who knew when they know why did they do this how high -- government did -- go.
I mean look we -- people have no trust.
But the government is being impartial this -- arrogance of power abuse of power.
To the nth degree and we're going to get to the bottom this and so I don't know they answer your question we're gonna find out.
You just heard Dan Pfeiffer he says that nobody in the White House knew about this until the IG's report was relayed to them in my -- -- the fact that that was relayed to the White House counsel.
Do you have any evidence that information about the political targeting of conservatives went either -- the Treasury Department.
Or to White House its nationals before.
What the White House's side.
-- we don't know the answer to that but this is just the beginning of this -- investigation.
Remember the the inspector general just -- an audit they didn't do an investigation.
Like emails and things like that.
Inspector general told us at the hearing that now -- -- in the midst of an investigation.
And what we receive the other day is an audit which revealed that they misled congress that they were in fact targeting people on the political beliefs.
We have credible allegation is that donors were harassed and intimidated let me in Iraq perhaps -- -- -- involved.
I don't -- -- -- everywhere to join -- getting this investigation we don't know the answer that what's the difference between an audit and investigation of what you're saying they've done what -- -- saying I haven't done.
What auditors is a measurement of behavior and what actually it occurred at an investigation they didn't look at emails that he look at intense.
They didn't look at who knew it was in the chain of information so none of that information has been acquired yet.
That's what the IG is doing now that's what our congressional overseers are doing now -- well so.
All we have is a simple audit we don't have a thorough investigation that's not the report we got that is what is now occurring.
So we just don't have the answer to all those questions that we're going to find out.
During the hearing on on Friday commissioner -- -- that the targeting of conservative groups the Tea Party and other conservative groups.
Was simply a -- product afterward an efficiency move as you well to try to deal -- this big.
Spike in groups political groups after the Citizens United.
Supreme Court ruling were asking for tax exempt status and I want to go to the inspector general's report on not.
Because he's sad that 298.
Groups receive special scrutiny.
-- -- -- That means then congressman that two thirds of the groups that received special scrutiny were not Tea Party type programs.
Chris what we also know from just this one hearing.
Is that groups with the -- progressives are organizing groups with liberal cassation did not have this targeting they went through they were approved.
So we know that they specifically targeted people based on their political beliefs.
Based on people with suspicion of the size and direction of government based on Tea Party and 912 and -- patriots.
So we know for sure big part of people based on the political beliefs.
We've got allegations that based on you know religious police that were contrary to the president's positions.
We have credible allegations that donors to these groups were targeted we know that the -- -- private confidential information to the public.
For political -- which -- political purposes.
So there's so much more that we just uncovered that we do not know the root causes enough and so to suggest that this is some of your -- -- -- to.
It -- that's already been disproven Chris the other point I'd say is is as bad as this is.
The person in charge of this bureaucratic snafus now been put in charge of inviting Obama care.
I -- the IRS now is going to be granted huge amounts of unprecedented power over our health care in the implementation of obamacare.
And so this is is rotten to the core this is arrogance.
This is big government crony -- And this is not what hardworking taxpayers deserve people deserve a government that they can trust that's honest that's impartial.
Equality before the law -- that is not what we are getting here.
And solicitous to try and suggest that this just bureaucratic snafus we already know that that is not true.
-- congressman let's turn.
To bank Gaza -- say.
And you said this week there's no doubt that the Obama administration your words no doubt.
Engaged in a cover -- of a Ben Ghazi in there.
Use of the talking points but President Obama up pointed out this week that Susan rise.
Appeared on the Sunday talk shows and just three days later.
Matt Olson had a -- national national -- isn't counterterrorism -- Told congress that it was an -- to articulate what the president said.
Who executes some sort of cover up war effort to tamp things down.
For three days.
So the whole thing defies logic.
Congressman does the president have a point there a three day cover up.
Look -- what we now know from.
Is that the number two man in the guys in the deputy chief commission inform his superiors including the secretary of state.
But this was a terrorist attack those of us who had a briefings and seen the videos know that there was no protest involved.
Thank you suggest afterwards that this was the result of a spontaneous protest we know is now not the case.
The burden of proof here is on the administration side and -- is why did they continued to push this kind of a story.
When they knew nearly immediately afterwards that that was not the case.
So that's really the question and and by the way they released some emails not everything.
We've only seen parts of this story -- the point here Chris.
Is that -- -- -- some this is not a partisan and never -- a what is the truth and why was the truth intentionally distorted.
And we want -- for something like this never happens again people deserve honest government.
-- deserve to be told the truth by their government and that's not the kind of thing that we're getting here whether it's the HHS -- the IRS or whether it's the state the State Department.
Congressman you say that has not.
Partisan but but the fact -- you had a big stake in all this because the very time that.
All of the talking points about Ben -- came down you were Mitt Romney's running -- trying to unseat President Obama.
-- -- -- Do you believe that the White House purposely misled the American people on Ben Ghazi.
To try to beat you when Mitt Romney and when the election.
I don't know the answer that question -- -- not I'm gonna speculate that's what good oversight does.
That is what this investigation is all about which is why did they continue to perpetuate this story which they knew was not true.
And what was the reason for doing so so rather than make a conclusion before investigation has been completed I think we -- -- need to investigate this.
For the sake of good government this -- what the legislative branch does that for the separation of powers is all about.
Accountability of the executive branch.
By the legislative branch.
And so I don't want to speculate as to why and what it they did until we have all of the information about it I think what we know right now it's an enormously.
We have less than two minutes left congressman when you look at all these scandals IR -- the subpoena the -- records.
And as I pointed out to.
The Dan Pfeiffer.
How often when these things come down the president's as well I just learned about it when everybody else dead.
What do you think it says about this president.
In his second tour.
The way -- look at this Chris you mentioned that last campaign governor Romney and I.
We had a campaign against big government in theory.
President Obama up past his agenda but it it and nominee's agenda so we had to campaign against his rhetoric is empty promises.
Now we're seeing big government in practice.
Now we -- seeing the arrogance we are seeing the cronyism.
In practice in this second term and that is even uglier than the government in theory.
And so this is what's disturbing about this which is you know we we had we had a challenge in campaign against empty rhetoric.
Now the country is seeing what this kind of big unlimited government does in practice.
And that is that is not a pretty picture.
This is why we -- to do our jobs to bring accountability the federal government.
To bring trust back to the hardworking taxpayers and unfortunately I think we're gonna go to a painful exercise in this country.
-- we learned that these abuses are occurring in our rights as citizens are being infringed upon.
-- -- directly to their wanna thank you so much for coming in today and talking with -- always a pleasure to talk with -- Thanks Chris.
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