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Targeting based on ideology.
He didn't mention targeting based on -- buzz words like Tea Party are patriots are 912.
You do that but you didn't mention this to the committee do you not think that that's a very incomplete answer.
I answered the question truthfully.
One of the fiery exchanges that we're watching on Friday together at that house here and the IRS scandal there's another -- this week on.
In the senate side and now dozens of Tea Party groups that were targeted might sue the IRS.
George secular executive director -- the American Center for Law and Justice is organization representing more than a dozen groups and Toms almost house the executive director one of the Tea Party groups.
And the -- who joins us from him it's his home state of Ohio and good morning to both you gentlemen Tom I want to start with you.
I think frankly you found that a lot the last 04 days that you're probably looking over the past two years.
When you first filed what -- you trying to do town.
Well yeah when we first filed we know we just we're trying to handle the money that you you have to handle for bus trips to Washington.
You know you put on on that a public event yet you've got.
You know I have money he's got a handle for refreshments and security and things like that -- wasn't any kind of big business.
We're just trying to -- -- do they have the proper thing and in order to get insurance for instance which is critical you gotta be incorporated somehow so we -- kind of forgot how can we incorporate.
Okay now so -- you granted status or were you delayed or what happened -- Next thing -- ACL object that we were granted and it only took two and a half years to write two and a half years yeah we stars and hobbies in June 2010 June of 2010 year granite status and what it in the -- -- -- twelve.
December 7 2012 a month and a day after the election.
What do you think about what you're learning now.
Yeah I really thought and and Jordan can tell you because we work closely together over the last year at least.
I really thought I mean I knew how broad and deep this was because I had shared a lot of experiences with the -- -- -- -- country.
I gotta tell you I was shocked on Friday I I was really rocked.
When when the Illinois congressman -- brought out the the letter the I -- to the coalition for life and Iowa.
And said the IRS asks them in writing to tell us what you were members rate for.
-- I had taken to a different level for me and I hope to take -- good of -- love for all Americans because.
That's a level we don't wanna go -- one more question for you before I get to Jordan if you were delayed two and a half years.
What was the effect on you in the group you were trying to put together.
Well it had a lot of -- it hurt your fund raising because yet your status was uncertain it it it it took hours hundreds of hours away.
From my ability to lead our organization so it hampered our efforts.
And I really think that was that was the purpose of this it had nothing to do their access it had nothing do with electioneering.
It had to do with the 2012 election.
Jordan secular you represent many groups Tom included what do you plan to do because I've got a note here this suggest you're going to sue the IRS.
I don't know if that is the case but -- so to what end.
We're gonna sue the IRS that Tom's -- some groups that were approved -- approved after.
Well over the normal period be reasonable time period and we still have -- clients who were yet to be approved some who filed in.
The end of 2009.
That are still waiting bill that you've got groups like Toms who missed two election cycles.
And they were trying to get insurance for bosses -- -- part of top stories that.
They went for five would seem forced that is because he referred to that that they were even okay it -- incorporating it paying taxes they had to just to protect the members that were on the buses.
But -- yet they were delayed shot out it's called viewpoint discrimination.
-- plating bill are bringing -- locked lawsuits here.
Representing groups like -- organization others from across the country about seventeen groups so far.
Are ready to -- but we're working with the board citing those back up who did -- and we know sooner we'll see where that -- goes Tom how does that make you feel zapped him.
-- that compensation for you now.
Well yelled that it you know there is another -- but -- important step but I want to reach out to the Tea Party leaders and also other conservative group leaders who are watching this program.
You need to step forward now.
There's -- -- be not 17127.
There's going to be hundreds if not a thousand groups involved with -- and so I see my role now is as saying to you.
I stood up with our group you need to step up now because this is an important constitutional issue and Tom thank you for your time -- -- thanks -- was well we'll see where -- this all goes.
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