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Warning welcome back to political insiders on job of moving day here with Packard bell and Doug -- And we have so much to discuss today but we try to do this objectively and honestly and keep our own personal wish is out of it.
And do an honest political analysis of what's going on in Washington at the moment and obviously what's going on -- three simultaneous.
Can call -- scandals stories that are unfolding by the minute.
Thank Ghazi which -- -- -- three of us has been a passionate.
Advocate open investigation.
Now comes the IRS story which is unfolding by the minute and -- AP story which this morning has morphed into another story involving fox.
Which we're gonna get to.
And we've all been struggling off the air in how to deal with us and talk about it and think politically what's gonna happen -- yesterday on Fox News Channel we only had a few minutes.
Because of -- breaking news story about a tornado in Oklahoma.
So we're gonna talk today including what we were gonna say yesterday about all three of these things -- we we the one thing we did get in yesterday was.
In Washington right now.
The political agenda of issues immigration gun control debt deals that kind of stuff.
We agree is somewhat on the back burner because these things are sucking the oxygen -- -- let let's go.
Issue by issue and I think.
It will serve as a precursor to pat doing what I think.
He hopefully will do which is to offer a summary of where we stand on the scandals -- what we should expect.
But if you take immigration there's a bipartisan process working that the White House is largely not part.
But at the same time absent presidential in the administration were involved but I think it's fair to say.
It'll be tougher to get a piece of legislation through especially with the heritage.
Foundation report -- -- appointments to six and a half trillion dollars so I think we have that that's problematic.
Gun control -- -- is for the time being.
You know quiet -- the deficit deal I think it's also less likely to happen.
-- for a couple reasons first the debt ceiling has been extended into September if not longer.
And with revenues up the trillion dollars -- deficit is down to six.
Hundred billion meaning that -- short term news is that there is less pressure for a dealer agreement then there would have been.
Otherwise and that apps and -- for a deal given the polarization between the two sides that it's hard to see that we're gonna get.
Much in the way -- -- -- I think the agenda of the administration and indeed issues or largely on the back burner and -- my question to you was where do we -- Well where we stand news you know we have some numbers may be done one of whatever got we have about you know holes will be like I'm put up.
Let's do we can do either one number refer would do first the number one -- -- -- bank -- are serious matters requiring investigation.
And as you can all can say I mean three quarters of the people think the -- higher SS and 70% think things -- isn't similar findings today in a CNN all wars people would have had to solve this morning -- -- even more so hard that's good and then we Muslims is do what we're -- do number two.
The rest -- -- on the president's job approval 49 and even then there's the CNN poll that we were talking about.
They have it at 53.
For the pres -- obviously there's only one will be -- here but what the lord.
Period should resist but what amazes me Doug is the politics of this is and everybody total world's scandal over -- -- the present.
We had just started this process it's two weeks it's two weeks ten days maybe it is in there it is so confusing there's so many pieces coming up.
So the person I wanna say is.
The requirement of the White House I would be concerned by the numbers of people believe that we need to do investigation we see smoke.
Mean you've added an initial partisan rallying to everyone running to their side.
-- that on the president's approval.
But that doesn't matter where any long term process here the other number you saw about the Republicans -- handling it in the CNN today which was shocking given the numbers of -- -- 54%.
Thought they were handling well.
The IRS the situation and 58% thought they were -- Gaza so the Republicans and Republicans handling and appropriately.
This is important because this is -- it's -- the problem for the president that I see.
Is that what I call -- whack -- -- problem.
We we don't have a single scandal here we've got three and they keep your acting and one goes to someone because of -- help the president.
No I think not because I think it is -- -- little fact of war -- the literally but it speaks to a larger question of mariners.
The president's team it had been in the administration doctors say all it's just pony it's nothing and they keep being undermined every day.
I said yesterday and I'm like you're real reaction of I I just think that they're 2 central questions here we're going to find out he's the president the leader or not.
That he's he's never done as well on leadership -- -- should.
This stuff about he's not and doesn't know what's going on whatever.
And the second is I think the credibility.
And the veracity of this administration are constantly in trouble when people like Dan -- bought out you'd say -- relatives' home is all bull crap in his room here.
And I -- both of those on and then John I think it would be very little golf if you weigh in less is a host but more as a commentator from Republican perspective.
On the first one pat I need to take slight issue with you this I think they decided to -- leadership.
For head in the sand put another way I think the president is basically.
The -- comment on -- IRS and bad guys the is.
First I heard about it.
What I did hear about it I got it right you referred to yesterday as sergeant Schultz and I tried to avoid that analogy because it is sort of you know -- pins and shortens it but the but I was thinking about this like on that got to see you -- you make a great point pat had I should.
Review it for our viewers.
Osama bin Laden the president is in the stage picture in the situation room.
-- -- -- -- -- No word of eagle -- a recent night when people are under and yesterday this -- fight -- could not.
Say where the president was the night for the day after that afternoon in Ben Ghazi.
He -- wasn't in the situation room we would be so I don't know -- well it's odd we have a lack of leadership and almost trumpeting a lack the leadership because if they.
Talk to what the president was doing.
Bottom line they get themselves and more of a pickle that we go to -- -- it to the second question I think that -- races which again is to meet the essence of it.
Honesty and integrity.
I would acknowledge John that I was.
Later to the party -- bad guys -- -- -- -- the problems and the potential but I did happen focused aren't as much perhaps.
Recently -- -- did a few months ago but the more I read and watch those hearings last week.
The -- But questions the pat races come and find relief for me what was the secretary of state saying about a film.
When she was told -- 2 in the morning by mr.
You know that there won't know waived that hearing which -- two Wednesdays ago -- -- you know.
That hearing is why the Republican numbers are pretty good on Ben -- because that was a well run hearing there wasn't a lot of victory all it wasn't a lot of grandstanding.
Answers -- but what the president was up to what -- was doing.
And bottom line what the Republicans have done in -- John weigh in.
Bottom line rather than -- -- but specifically.
What they're doing just saying it's all wise it's old news its annual.
All saying that you don't when they say you know I the reason I believe in -- would always -- He's because like Watergate mouth and saying there are times are not anywhere near exactly this but there is something very similar point that you made -- It was all my theory in your theory I believe in god is -- that -- wanted to protect their narrative on their campaign.
They put the campaign ahead of doing what we all believe they should have -- president should come right out of the box and said.
This is an attack on America that will not stand undermined -- -- my election we're beating them and that this is their last gasp effort.
And I'm going to get them and your country would rally to him.
But instead -- wanna protecting narrative no will Qaeda.
Mil whatever so we end up with -- so when you -- -- when you start doing this because if you wish to protect the election.
To berliners have something that's gonna come out.
They're 2 central questions here and mr.
-- screaming on the air doesn't change any of this or mobile -- for a party card which it.
Where does the president what the heck was he doing that -- an American to being attacked.
So we've been ready for his -- -- his one rate for the next day.
The diminishing of the importance of this.
And the second when he used these talk this this video story didn't bolt from the Scott.
It's not in the talking points -- reference occasional reference to demonstrate but there's no big deal.
This becomes something the president the vice president and the secretary of state or there -- telling.
The father the tub Tyrone woods in the green room as -- -- -- -- show what.
-- judge stood pure trip saying we're gonna get that -- -- did the video.
Enough where did you get a winner that's isn't Hyatt why the imposed here how did that happen and who did it -- when we get to the bottom of that.
I think that's when all -- right listen Martin our producer tells me that we're getting a lot of chats -- -- -- we like.
Thank you keep on coming on the try to read these four.
Maybe I'll read the best 11.
From Fox News.
You make that amount political insiders yes astonishment I want to show on daily.
Please please please -- so.
-- -- very much -- cost the world a very your lips to -- you get isn't anyone listening that's the name of this person I wonder if the media is thinking twice about the AP phone taps now.
That it has been found out that fox had it done on them three years ago.
I hope they say that no media is exempted from the spying all eyes of this administration.
To first -- love that term.
The Eagles had a great song you're lying eyes you're spying -- eyes is very good.
The Fox News story which is breaking on drugs from the Washington Post.
The bastion of the left is reporting that James Rosen crack reporter here fox had his phone and personal phone and email.
Tapped in 09 by the administration.
To get stupid to their hunting for the source of the story about North Korea.
So this thing has been gone on for longer than we know by this administration as you said Doug if Richard Nixon did this.
You know act that let me give you -- slightly.
It's 830000 people let's let's take 5%.
The idea that any time there's a story that impacts national security from the reporters.
Entire records -- history.
Get -- his bone chilling.
It makes me say it say pat.
John that as we sit here and as we do our bit if you go over some nonexistent or metaphorical line you -- may be a victim of people intruding into your life.
I had a guy the other day.
Who had taken a stance against the White House got an order notice they said do you think this is because of they pay now I don't think that this guy's case.
It was but it creates and I say that.
Not to say he's right.
But to say it creates a climate of fear.
That is antithetical.
To our tradition and our belief system let us take just a step for real fast -- and wants to take a break itself while women usually bring my feet.
To hold the point of pat and Doug will be right back out.
Political insiders give us a minute we'll be right back.
With Pat's point.
Okay we're back on -- lovely day here with Doug shown and Packard Dell and -- took the break pat was getting ready this speak about they pay and what Doug just said about the IRS Seattle you know I often say -- I'm sure -- -- here as we go on over and over against.
I would youngest person Richard Nixon's enemies list when you talk about the -- this what is happening.
And REM out the HP story we now see go blue bleach in the -- I guarantee you will be a lot more people.
The one thing you won't find me were not investigating is the most important weeks.
When the when we cues I get directly Tom -- with Iran that ran this cyber war.
Which Dianne Feinstein the chairman of the the democratic chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee said was threat that was threatening American law and it was stuff she had never even heard about.
Being leaked to the New York Times book.
That won't be invested.
What it is is your enemies.
John Daly in 1971 -- we're gonna screw our political enemies.
We -- CBI arrest -- when you talk about people feeling like this when you see people who raise their heads.
Being attacked not just by the IRS but the hopes of government agencies.
What the real coincidental or not it is a sense that that is going on what does -- administration's response they appoint a political.
Eight -- of the president and Jack -- to -- the IRS -- -- not going get somebody who would be.
Are you don't know who would be spotless in their honor to clean the place up.
This is to say America the entire rest -- none of this happens it is that they -- -- -- -- -- this Henry the second in the paraphrase Henry -- -- The murder that the group who will rid me of these -- of this troublesome tea parties.
The president's -- tacky and the vice president they're sending signals anyone think it's an action.
Okay now what we got somebody and we want create -- we will people who want to read several in Iraq and then -- won't talk about all of America.
From Johnny -- are at this point will any of this affect mid term elections isn't that what this is all about -- mid term elections.
EAB India where does Valerie Jarrett fit in on all these stories all month differed -- great.
This president has become polarized by scandals and in effect has become a lame duck president.
For the rest of this term this is sad because the issues are not left or right.
-- issues that involve all Americans so let's come why animal mid terms.
Is he a lame duck is nothing gonna happen for the rest of his presidency where what are we looking at here and then we'll do Valerie Jarrett.
What what look at me.
Mid terms look.
Despite the fact that the president's approval.
Has stayed the same perhaps -- supporters do.
This is not good for the Democrats because ultimately elections.
Are referendum on incumbents.
And the only way the Republicans get in trouble is if they overreach.
As the Republicans did in 98 certainly.
That's that's that is number one number two did -- DEA.
Is exactly right.
We here -- campaign or political insiders are dedicated to discussion of issues nonpartisan.
And bottom line I think.
Whatever your perspective it's clear that issues are gonna take back -- To scandal we don't know how that scandal will play out pat has some perspective are -- from the past that I think is very useful but I think it's a little too early -- -- you know let me in let me just say 2014 and I really don't care I I think -- -- Tea Party -- have been -- Suddenly after being almost produced irrelevancy they've been legitimized.
In and it fired up and that's going to have some impact.
I would suspect.
But you know the the question about.
Then why did all of this is important snapped -- new elections has to do the fundamental truth we should get to the basics.
Don't -- we're not going to be dealing with issues.
Is so much is the fallout of this but it goes to a much larger question.
Which is what is happening with the government politics -- -- watch the media today.
Going nuts about what is the president up or down are out of would have -- -- -- -- game.
But his scorecard but scorecard no this is about we need to find out some -- here.
And we need to find out what happened who did what.
And I I think -- you know -- -- certainly -- -- it will help shape -- -- fourteen let me let me read.
We've had one good comment for -- from everybody but Fox News US and see that the guy that wants the man I -- man I don't know but he wants.
Political and -- every day.
We like that -- -- -- good judgment but this is really great come care I wish Obama was able to embrace all Americans not just the left.
Oh I really hate when he invests more time on demonizing Republicans instead of focusing on.
And addressing issues directly instead of trying to act like they're -- -- -- -- we saved them all back here tomorrow you know more sentence hogs from Republicans Democrats and independents.
We all have one thing in common in caps we are Americans.
Please do not attack us instead.
Unite us now.
This is what -- president should follow these -- for Obama and let me just say I'm going to deported darker and darker because of me how many pieces could we write last year.
Which few years about the body in the American people and -- and able to lead as a -- All southerners they got realize exactly right and I would tell you ever think pat what a great -- and I suspect you would as well.
That if there was that message from US and -- veteran in Washington.
The American people.
And two thirds of congress would give him.
A standing ovation for those -- you know because the bottom line what I have heard when I delivered the message pat and I have written.
From those on the right I've had people pull -- the violence.
All by -- some sort of homily.
And those on the left and you can't hear it republic of Republicans and Democrats -- the Republicans are evil look.
There's enough men -- city to go around why that's -- thing this thing could be reversed.
In all fairness which is my problem with what's happened -- my party which is.
They end up Haiti liberals so much.
They did they can't unite they either want much spend more time -- part of a moon being -- -- don't wanna -- -- look like.
But -- Bob -- their patrons about making themselves feel good.
Rather than standing up in the country right after the test and they keep doing dumb things like what I think is important it's a good question scandal.
We'll get relief from real things let's take obamacare.
Your -- -- yesterday about move Republicans voting another useless repeal we have the Iowa yes person.
Who is I've been talking about the troops to the woman who ran this Tea Party deal.
Got moved over recently to run the IRS department that's growing Obama care yes and they're gonna have 191000 new the whole US military heavy armored division they're going to do new -- but -- they're going to be up your -- there aren't a microscope and that -- an issue.
That I would have made.
Was still cannot -- And make an argument here that we haven't heard from the republic.
You're gonna have 191000.
New IRS agents to make sure you comply with -- Obama care.
Yet if anything we have fewer doctors.
With vast expansion.
Of eligibility for about retiring.
Right well Obama cares kill off our doctors -- -- given I mean again this is supply and demand you're at thirty or forty million people.
To the health care roles in your fewer doctors.
If so -- you're gonna have.
Less good care.
Then let me tell you something -- has already got a problem there is a -- -- that's why this thing will take time -- -- -- This sued in California really sees ten million people's records sixty million medical record.
-- seized by the RI RS out of an Ottoman health insurance company.
Women folks this is really scary when your when your name they're -- I don't -- Some report that I think what you write you know you wouldn't -- would agree with.
If Obama address these scandals not that I didn't know didn't know didn't and so look something is fundamentally wrong in this country.
We got to know what happens when -- under attack.
And what an ambassador's attack.
And killed were under attack all of us we got to know what happened when our our our -- but we got to understand fundamentally.
What's going on with -- just a little late for him to say that -- -- -- years ended may lead late but John.
If he did that is that I'm -- get to the bottom of this because this is a larger issue than politics this is an issue though credibility I don't know how you.
-- agree with you but -- -- -- this.
You know that that that is all shrinking the ability to do that of course -- this president's speaking -- quite tourists welfare Valerie Jarrett.
Because the people who were really stage main Russian -- Want to divide the country correct I didn't -- -- -- and the president himself was not gonna do this and he's going to pay a price right for this.
Because someone will -- I hope in this country.
In speakers are -- you.
-- listen we only have a couple minutes and and we're gonna do this chat and then one more thing.
-- 04 lot 41 I would really like to know -- Timothy Geithner whose name has never been mentioned in regards to the behavior of the IRS since the only person -- -- -- -- actually had to answer to was Geithner.
Yet he's managed so far to walk away perfectly clean a -- He was Treasury Secretary there was.
Preliminary report given to the General Counsel under Geithner while he -- -- -- John I think it would be interesting to hear from mr.
Geithner -- growth.
What did he know what to be here that's coming I think our hopes up -- the local we had a story today we just -- it before we went on the -- huge the president met with the head of the union the Irish union.
Just hope -- wanted to the day before -- instituted this.
Progress we only have a minute -- we never got to yesterday will do it again next week but big cool big 80000 foot high questioned looking down.
What effect is what's happening now have.
Four years eight years down the line -- and no other car -- and nobody candidates.
Pat will take forty segments around -- notably the bottom line is what.
US embassy vet said if someone.
With his credibility.
On the national stage delivered that message in a president -- -- that's 50% say about third candidate running against it -- it -- -- He's the corruption and be political system and made that an apparatus -- country disliked intensely.
In fields on represented by big wannabe Americans see you not want to be part of -- and partisan on.
And somebody make ten -- and -- it.
They could -- preside Jane -- US and see vets comment a couple of years ago we said on here we were still just an Internet show we said.
That the guy I think gets up -- the lady who gets up running for president says I'm running not as Republican.
Not as a Democrat I'm running as an American.
That person would do great phenomena from denigrate I don't we've run out of time.
-- for so we'll be back on Sunday hopefully -- full time be no more -- on the bad news is the more excuse me or not back on Sunday we wish you all happy Memorial Day weekend.
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