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New details today of the scandal over the IRS targeting Tea Party and conservative groups in the run up to the 2012 election.
A former top donor for Mitt Romney claiming that he and his business were subjected to the IRS is -- not one not two but the re times.
And investigated for a fourth.
This comes as we're hearing a growing number of reports about what are being dubbed retaliatory.
The IRS denies that it does that.
But there's growing evidence that it may.
Joining me now Idaho based businessmen frankly Anderson served as the national co chair of the Romney campaign's finance committee he's credited with blowing the whistle.
On some the agencies ways and there's no doubt in your mind is their sir that the audits you faced with the -- in the threat of the fourth were in we tell.
Nation to your political activity.
I think it is really important to separate what we we fear from what we actually know and I don't actually know that.
That the audits were in direct relationship to what happened on.
What's been come known as the enemy's list that president Obama's campaign put out a little over a year ago but I do know that on April 22012.
President Obama's campaign listed eight individuals out of the hundreds of thousands.
Of donors to Mitt Romney.
They decided the most important thing they could do was to point out just a handful of -- and watch what happens to them and that's what they did they.
They sorted out eight invest listed this on their web site on the campaign web site.
And then said things about us like that we've been on the on the wrong side of.
The law -- -- -- -- does -- -- -- a -- -- let's put it up on the screen.
Because this is from the Obama team is campaign operation during the campaign and there is highlighted in yellow in case the viewers can and can't read it.
Let's -- -- as a closer look.
At Romney's donors I'm trying to read -- from very far away.
Reveals a group of wealthy individuals with less than reputable records a wealthy individuals with less than -- yellow -- -- records.
That's you frank and on the wrong side of the law -- -- later so.
It's -- there's some similarities isn't -- to the Symbian accusation we've been hearing today on the wrong sudden loss and therefore.
Yeah a target -- -- whether it's let's start there let's just start there.
That the feeling you had as as a businessman who's done nothing -- -- make your own way in this country.
In seeing the president's campaign team call you less than reputable and suggest that you've had trouble with the law.
Forget the audits that followed OK just that.
Your reaction when that happened.
Now at that time we do know we're going to be -- but at the time I thought.
This is going to be bad I mean people don't like to -- business with somebody.
Who's a crook and and indeed we got some phone calls lots of them.
We lost some customers because of it and then and then of course everything reversed when the news picked up his enemies list in and day everybody came to rescue -- Then -- -- start start happening in their their three amend the threat of -- fourth and you know you're a wealthy man did you did you call your lawyers and say.
I worried this is linked to my donations to Mitt Romney I was listed on this campaign web site is somebody was less than reputable.
And now the IRS comes calling you know what.
Can we find out -- week it can we get to the bottom of that.
I didn't you know the first one came about what we're going to be audited and in the second and came in the third one came and then I.
I wonder if it's not related I mean is one after another after another after another so well on.
But I don't know that's -- related that's the problem you don't -- suspicion they do know this president Obama's.
His swat team his campaign put a target on our backs.
And then you wonder if there's any relationship with people start shooting and you wonder.
You think of that when you when you watch the IRS.
Scandal emerging today because you know obviously no conservative groups get targeted but the White House says they have nothing to do it.
Well I hope they -- But I hope that they they just -- one layer back after the other and and find out who did what.
And who told him to do what and see where Dalai.
-- -- talked to the other seven there that there -- the eight wealthy individuals with quote less than reputable records I repeat it.
Be mocking me to show you that there's no evidence of it -- sitting here with mr.
Vander -- but that is that was the charge levied.
In any event have you spoken with the other seven.
I've I restart every one of them.
Four of them were so concerned they didn't want to talk to anybody they had been advised keep your head down don't don't don't let this.
Faster that was like a year ago so I didn't but three of them talk to me.
Had they've been audited.
And -- I'm not a privilege to say but I will say this I'm not the only one that was audited.
That's all I can say is is there reluctance to speak out a fear of a further possible retribution.
Not not by me I don't know about anybody else and speak.
For myself I mean they can do what they -- to -- I think two seats is on the -- -- anyone who came forward do you think seven haven't focused on it's it's not it's a harrowing experience.
I mean it it it affects your family and future business.
You have to answer all these questions we had to write emails we had to do conference calls we had to explain things.
And then your kids in your grand kids go to school and they get picked on but by other kids because.
And their parents had that you're involved with whatever and in my case Bronx had a lot I've had a speeding ticket that's it.
I've never had anything and I don't think any of the people did too but people when minister president speaking.
His credibility people believe stuff right from right from the get go.
I -- -- costing eighty Brandon in the lawyer fees and and audit fees are accounting fees.
You're rich man so that's I mean it's not nothing but it's not you know completely unaffordable but this you know if this happens to somebody who does have the means.
That you have.
It could be a career -- I mean it could be a business center -- that's what I worry not only -- the -- See but the things that you've been talking about just over the last few minutes people who people have to are going to interpret I fear.
-- -- be really careful because somebody's gonna come after you is -- keep your head down keep quiet don't speak out.
-- I believe the opposite I believe the way to stop it is to speak out.
And in to take your hits and keep speaking up truth seeks its own level the truth if people will dig for the truth.
Then everybody who's been on the right side of the law will be vindicated I believe.
I know right after this happened that you were listed as you know 188.
Somebody -- -- around in town.
Looking that your divorce records that -- were -- -- going that deep looking at your personal information your your your divorce from prince.
They were looking at everything they could find out eleven days after this this came out.
Somebody who purported to time to it to be an employee of the federal government.
From the permanent committee on investigations was going to my.
To our local courthouse fighting everything they could find.
I mean I'm I'm curious I'm hoping that that will be discovered what was he doing there and who.
Why was he there why was he investigating -- -- did have a relationship to do with this -- didn't come -- eleven days before I'd like to know for LA go.
If you have a message for Barack Obama what does it.
We need you we needed lead us in the good direction we need you to not intimidate us or try to intimidate us.
We need a good leader we need we need great leadership that's going to have moral character.
And we need examples of that and this idea that we can be intimidated because we disagree we're I want him to be successful in his presidency we what we all want the same thing.
We want a great prosperous America the Democrats do.
Did Republicans do the conservatives and -- -- ever -- We argue about who is going to be the quarterback and what -- to run but just because we don't agree on who should be the quarterback doesn't make -- the enemy.
We're not the enemy we want to we we got to come together and make good arguments rather than to try to destroy the messengers but the messenger speech.
Let them argue let's listen let's let's let the best arguments win.
But let's not take the tactics of trying to kill off the messenger so I don't mean that I literally but figuratively.
That's that's the America a bit.
That's the Americans that that got us to where we are and let's let's go back to that methodology that's what I -- -- frank thank you are investing your family thank you.
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