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Is it possible that we could narrow the scope.
Of questions and that there are some areas that you would be able to answer.
Any questions on here today.
-- will not answer any questions or testifying today.
-- -- Would you.
Be willing to answer questions specifically related to -- earlier statements made under oath before this committee.
I declined to answer that question for the reasons I've already given.
And that's hasty departure.
Is by one slowest learner and the woman who is in charge of the unit of the IRS that oversees applications for nonprofit status.
And this is power play and I am Chris -- ms.
Lerner had a not so good morning.
She appeared before the house oversight committees are there the grand -- toward Darrell ice up.
Republican from California -- Wondering is there any thing that she feels that she could talk to the committee about without incriminating herself and thereby having to invoke.
Her Fifth Amendment protection they -- too she said no and she left.
So old -- about other than just that being a wonderful moment in.
What will soon be Washington history.
What about that.
How it's affecting public opinion what about the inter related -- the inter connectedness -- Of the troika of scandals.
In Washington that is of course the Ben Ghazi.
The IRS and the Department of Justice.
Taking -- records.
Of group of reporters and in -- case tracking them as if they were criminals.
What about all of that somebody who knows about all of that is Charles hurt.
He knows -- no.
Not broken it's it's like a four or five go what's your five to others there that I think enacted -- -- -- report yeah two.
Two days ago about.
Cheryl Atkinson over it CBS saying that there would go into the DOJ.
I think it's kind of a side car I just -- But then they can have in the in the flow chart we can have sub sets under the various things you can earn its front edges are.
And I know that -- -- whenever you're just having casual conversation about any one of these scandals.
I will find myself beginning in one in Indian and other -- it like a friend at work well it's it's red -- and I'm glad you mentioned.
After her beautiful piece of work today.
Because that were column on that very topic and so what's it say about slowest -- -- and by the way if you followed me that's he's -- on Twitter you would have -- already.
What's interesting about those -- is so we saw yesterday Jay Carney who is -- Just in relating.
Before our eyes having come out with a third iteration.
About who knew what win in a battle to the IRS stuff and then we find out that slowest learner who them the most notorious thing she's done so far.
Is stage the leak it hello this.
The investigating don't stage a leak into your investigation she colluded with -- -- to ask -- question the question was asked.
So we know now that the White House had been advised of this before and had been in consultation with the department about how to handle the PR roll out all of this comes out Jay Carney is talking about that.
And then the next question comes and says.
By the way what about your administration targeting James Rosen and other reporters.
For doing their work there's not a lot of credibility -- No there hasn't been a big eater you're saying that it that -- he's.
Become a problem but I.
A lot of ways he's doing a very good job because.
A because he's VP he's doing so -- he's a he's making so much of the news about him that I think it's sort of draws a little little fire from some of the other people.
Is some of the others other scandals but.
But that it maybe with -- should have done is instead have been staging the leak and everything.
Just held court.
It's -- not home.
-- wouldn't take any -- engine and just have a press conference.
And in and it was -- movement -- the market.
And ride it until the Friday before the memorial and it had no reporters there Abbott which -- obviously you could have like like you know or.
And you just have to -- up to where we we got a -- you know.
-- put out a press release this week so this is this is at this point at this point what does it matter a bit but how.
I mean program.
Actually did that this kind of good for America because.
It needs somebody right now.
And IRS these people.
Most murder and -- do you think it's so easy.
To hate the -- it's it's so easy I'd like to disassociate my if -- if the Justice Department is taking yeah.
I'd like to disassociate myself from those comments.
And just say that whatever number our return as.
It is that would love.
And seriously can -- imagine if you went to the IRS on April 15 and said.
-- -- the guy yesterday the guy yesterday in the senate committee.
On the TV again you segment before this is an Millard and -- yes -- former acting the current I guess today's his last day it.
It's just there it says that you know allotted period to prepare some testimony but given time constraints there wasn't able to.
Imagine if you went on April 15 -- -- The time concern.
I'll pay close attention to properties that today but -- but you're penalized for you have you have to pay money for yes you do you have to pay interest on on any.
-- -- you failed that you and you have to pay interest yes.
Part of this is -- losing game for you you're defending -- iron.
Please and I've I've loved it's that's have a debate about the other but I don't I don't know what the Justice Department image and -- so -- -- yeah it's about how.
Keep your shameless heavy -- unbelievable how many times.
Did we have to hear about how hard it is how many things they have to go to how much paperwork today that and it's like can you imagine if you.
I think a legitimate business it's not a -- it's a legitimate business I have a company that is trying to help people and is trying to -- it -- it employs people and and we make something and you went departments at all I don't we have.
-- it's so much paperwork we weren't able to get it all -- They don't have enough money they need more money now -- -- match.
You want the irons is -- -- I didn't pay taxes because I need more money brother.
Any other companies have gone bankrupt brother because -- we're -- Before you throw -- and I didn't I do not want I am not in a position to answer -- write any hits we don't have money.
For the guess it's you'll.
Any any ruptures that occur as a result of questioning are not covered.
-- a good question I have is this.
Why slowest learner why is what is the thinking behind -- monitor still being in her job why hasn't she been sent -- she's.
Did you ever created -- union because she's protected -- civil servant and and it it takes dynamite.
To get one of these federal employees and their position but you know what they do with those people.
Did the White House has to be -- at -- -- and administrative let you send.
-- police -- and we need a quarters are what at least that he's not saying that that's do you.
-- a decent coal company back home.
Having this much patience for somebody that was obviously -- obviously not but -- oh -- to the realities of civil economists -- the virus that.
Attorney general holder it's good to see you.
The if you want I'm sure Tebow did do you know what they're watching over here.
But the good but the truth is.
There are remedies here to get her out of that -- -- restoring public confidence here right.
You'd think you'd hope they and yeah but I mean it's the issue is -- -- she's protected from political that this is but.
That's just the point here but she's a single event -- -- regardless of what your outrage I can access service she could be sent home today.
I guess -- -- she could be -- -- they wouldn't stripper I don't know if they could get her out of the building I know I had to -- you know I agree that but I.
But is it still calls me that did that that these people can beat this inept and this incompetent.
And and and in this.
To -- that we the people that hire them that pay their salaries this insulting.
And and and you still -- yet it is you can go home and even still -- -- your paycheck it's it's an abomination it's just it's everything's wrong with this federal government.
Tonight but I love watching my -- says she is guilty and covering.
-- someone a good hire her and lock her up -- -- my tank who has her fan.
And my take also says Jay had better have been writing that one of Obama.
But -- will hire nobody will hire him after he's done at the White House.
It's tough it's tough out there stuff out there but we are going to ask mr.
distinct keep -- -- -- As -- prepared to discuss what's next for immigration yes I know you wanna part with the other stuff but you have to pay attention this immigration thing because this is the consequential couple of days for the issue so we will implore you.
To -- short years and allies and stick around.
-- -- -- -- I -- pretend I was floored.
And -- The news.
I had -- engagements came from Patrick Leahy democratic senator from Vermont.
I guess -- -- protesters but encourage jurors.
Arrived at this senate judiciary hearing yesterday to set to shout yes we can't -- it went -- As the committee.
Passed its legislation -- -- -- legislation and -- the gang of eight deal on immigration.
And this is powered by welcome back so sees it went out.
Maybe now we will see how much where they can be equated it.
With our panel Charlie hurt is with the still he is of course -- -- columnist for The Washington Times -- an eminence.
Increasingly evident in our presence is Christiane Ramos.
How do how shall we described -- Would describe him you are of the new Democrat network new democratic network yes that makes him at -- but hey anything greatest center left policy think tank.
The Clinton model who specializes did you specialize in great policy.
These things are true yes policy director and president -- -- at.
True but the VT edu were you bring a policy got a party line there's an opponent -- Like I wanted you to keep -- holidays.
I'm out of might exist and if you don't know what to do just chain sees it went and then you I'm guessing this season and then it put it and -- Monitor your pseudo -- yeah.
Yeah I think my Spanish is that everybody here -- Yankee hero West Virginia exactly that's.
That's that's -- that said the finance and try to -- if that's the question is this bill is essentially.
It can't pass is the house is already said it's not gonna pass it right guns so what's all the season went when it.
Will the one thing -- -- about the committee processes has been totally open there was 300 amendments 200 actually.
Debated on the foot and then hundred.
Some things -- really fast but out of those you have 48.
Republican amendments act of this legislation it.
Senator Grassley yesterday on the into the issue he would lose at this has been the most open process we've had in the senate in a long time and I think.
That the house isn't necessarily have to pass the exact same thing that the senate does although it would be a good idea because this is a good bill it's been thought out and it's bipartisan.
As you know everybody says.
It is but more importantly.
There's a conference committees in the house can do some some interesting things add things take things away but at the end of the -- -- to come back into the commerce committee -- in the past.
By both chambers and I think that is increasingly likely as we see more bipartisan support for this legislation coming out.
In the senate.
That raised this eyebrows skepticism you know what let's say -- your press oh yes.
I think it's really tough sledding fort.
Obviously it's it's got some chances in the senate but the -- has -- it is -- you have these Republicans on the committee.
Who have agreed to go along with this stuff and and their -- hot.
A lot of people.
Including Republicans on the committee who know the issue very well and have been working on it for for many many years we and we've done hey -- good -- -- Virginia.
Who is done here he leads -- Judiciary Committee he's going forward his own stuff yet.
There have been a bit -- specifically government on the senate -- Judiciary Committee where they end and those are the amendments that were allowed to the Republican amendments that that is succeeded.
None of the other or very few of the other you know when you amendments offered by the Republicans were not part of that group.
When you know agreed to it and soon.
While it still can't could get through the senate just because the senate is the nature of the senate.
Need I I I think the fact that that that that you have that buried deep ardent.
Opposition from very knowledgeable Republicans on the committee.
It is far more broadly reflected in the house where you have the -- -- Republicans who are.
Don't -- goes -- this other than the public opinion changed since Puerto creeping to the legislation.
The house seems pretty Dag -- determined barring I mean look if they can say no.
If if they've said no I'm a host of things myriad topics even -- public opinion.
There was particular area of public opinion whether this background checks.
Gun control or other things.
They've made it clear good lap and others have made clear they're not doing comprehensive they're only gonna be piecemeal doesn't actually.
-- that's not really -- because you know there's.
A lot of committee work being done in various parts of this legislation and there's -- the -- of well they're not again you know they are in the house and -- group of Republican and democratic.
Members of congress working on this and I think eventually they're -- cobble something outside the beginning of June -- -- -- is on the so that we can put it altogether but my point is is to the political side of this which is.
The people in the upper echelons of the Republican Party get this they understand that the necessity of passing this stuff and I point to.
The -- against violence against women act.
In the house from before as an example of an area where the leadership eventually said look we kids.
Be on the record voting against terrorism of this because you're doing away with women in a lot of other important constituencies for the country.
Immigration is a similar sort of issue or at the end of the day they can bring us some legislation to have something that a lot of.
They got -- they've got women in Wyoming they don't have that many Hispanic voters.
But if -- get a win a presidential election you definitely need his good friends in the you self interest.
Always rains print owner and editor you know in our self interest it is people represented districts probably don't there -- -- -- It's America and its as you can bet I shouldn't I shouldn't -- -- so -- it's his brother.
But -- you know you also have to remember that that doing nothing is.
Always easier then then having to.
Pass something that that is that the -- people back.
You back -- and you know punish.
Well I mean they did this just doing nothing.
I think would actually be much worse before the Republican base in the sense that there are a lot of interest there -- to act community.
-- -- okay we have been discussing here we stipulate that they would then that there is a lot to argue that this would be better for the Republicans to get -- this issue but.
Well everything -- -- they may not.
But -- we're getting beyond the issue can include a lot of little.
Things that look like there.
They're getting beyond -- -- without -- -- -- -- without doing a massive amnesty bill for people who live come here illegally and are currently here illegal.
Well I don't know what you've done went and saying.
Massive personal amnesty but I don't know what's going to happen and work for other people I don't know myself -- -- that would require massive exodus of interest is going to.
Hillary -- -- -- my kids like my amnesty needs to be pretty massive so fortunately I've got a guy in the speed department.
He's -- Fifty OK gentlemen we thank you for -- rights council and I have to say.
I have to say I have to say that the but that you look great Charlie but this.
That Iraq just saying he knows that prophecy delivered record trip anchored to this it's multiple colors well.
What area but get a kick it and he -- comprehensive bill out of his pocket less likely gentlemen -- -- 80% of -- stating a -- Senate does -- and it -- that gentlemen we thank you for your time but the the okay Internet.
It turned to a more serious subject.
Well these guys get out of here I don't want to bring in.
The attorney general.
This state of Oklahoma -- As Scott Pruitt who's been our guest here before.
General how we doing out in Oklahoma today -- first our deepest condolences for the serious loss in your state and congratulations on what seems to be -- an impressive rebuilding effort already under way.
-- thank you for the well which is.
Effort is encouraging of late you obviously have heard about the abstinence and that loss of life.
Those so dramatic.
Less than me estimated it if you want initially so we're very hurt by that.
We're also very hurt by the response.
-- -- around this for the folks actually coming into.
Oklahoma partnering with local law enforcement and others on the ground to help the rebuilding effort.
-- Oklahoma's responding careers as we did after the 1995.
Murrah building bombing at the 1999 tornado -- responding with great pace and perseverance.
And compassion and say it's it's it's encouraging to see -- -- point and frustrated that -- efforts continue.
And there is there's some debate in Washington.
These days about how to pay for relief -- -- -- the money should be bar -- that should -- could be sent directly.
Without doing offsets and things like that.
Is that much -- -- a topic of discussion they are in Oklahoma.
You know it has not been yet you know the legislature actually.
Immediately after the tragedy.
That we add almost half a billion dollars in the early days and there -- legislation that again.
To -- process shortly after the tornado.
I think it was an allocation of approximately 45 to fifty million dollars toward the effort of state resources.
In devastated stepping up both with respect these first responders and the person on the ground.
-- -- impacting -- Improve the process but also -- Oscar's response -- they've responded on the financial side -- -- -- or basis that we've not heard much about the future.
I hope I hope you'll keep us posted and I also know by the way before we let you go that your office is working aggressively to prevent gouging and you vote in the hot line if there any oklahomans watching how can they get in touch with your office of somebody's trying to take advantage of this disaster for personal gain.
-- Chris thank you for.
That is that the numbers or 5212029455212029.
It is they've brought in price gouging.
Hotline we party unfortunately.
Goods and services being sold.
If it -- -- -- in fact it was a hotel was charging them.
Outlets prices that we.
You know one of the provision that pose this type of disaster back it was act act -- 1999.
Because we had evidence of that occurring there so we're out there with investigators on the ground working with both locally -- Our citizens and make sure that there are travelers another post and and trying to take advantage.
In re victimize our our citizens of the state.
The attorney general's got through it I can say this until football season starts -- sooners thanks for being with.
Back to the -- circuit shall we get back to the -- circus I think we should.
So the president Jay Carney President Obama make clear that -- like a free press they support the First Amendment they're all about it.
But they just don't -- be be very good at doing whatever it is that they think about that.
They don't seem to be very good at that as we continue to learn more about rose -- -- Fox News.
Washington correspondent James -- Being the target where he was named as possible criminal -- Over oblique and his stuff that took.
And all of that stuff the questions are deepening anxiety is growing.
What in the heck is going on here let's turn them -- -- -- Thomas he is Fox News -- senior judicial analyst.
-- beloved guest and your friend of this show and welcome back.
Thank you Chris good to be here you know I'm in favor of catching -- as everybody.
Yeah that's another argument and well I'd say what you're not -- -- Oklahoma OK so how is this possible.
Well this this is possible that there there's there's two stories here who -- as I see it.
One is the invasion of the journalistic rates of James Rosen and -- the first amendment rights of everybody for whom he reports.
The other is we -- this morning the invasion of the privacy rights of the Fox News Channel so to james' first the FBI went to a federal judge here in Washington.
And represented the James had been involved in a felony.
And that they -- for and there was probable cause to believe that he had committed a felony and therefore they needed -- is Google account is his personal private email.
The federal judge apparently didn't didn't look at the law that has accepted that the law says.
The newspaper reporter can ask any question he wants.
He can ask the source to provide anything any information source he had the source as whether the source wants to give it or not -- up for the soar up to the source.
If the source in this case Stephen Jen.
-- -- -- -- happening.
Jen will win.
If that source.
Gave classified information and James the source vigorously denies it the crime is the -- -- it's not James is so he's an -- Supreme Court is made it clear you can -- for classified material you can receive that you can possessing -- retaining you can publish it.
That's privileged under the First Amendment.
So how could -- have committed a crime by asking for -- answer he couldn't.
It is inconceivable that one could conspire to commit a crime that one is incapable of committing but a judge set -- federal judge must have sets -- yes a federal judge did say says that either this federal judge was intimidated by the FBI or enamored with the FBI or didn't read the papers that were sent to him or was woefully ignorant on -- basic principle.
A fundamental First Amendment jurisprudence with which a second year law student would be familiar at all.
It's shameless that the FBI need this misrepresentation.
About James and -- shameless that this federal judge a magistrate church.
This is not a federal district court judge appointed by president that this person has in this respect the same powers district court judge.
That he did that the Fox News Channel one is entirely different we have not seen the search warrant or the application for it.
That resulted in that but we did see the return the return.
Is the information.
That the federal government gives to defense counsel within the -- from serving a search -- so they must've gotten and served another search warrant.
I'm anxious to see the affidavit in support of that search warrant because the return.
Includes numbers for Fox News Channel and Fox Business Network both New York in DC I don't know what they told the federal judge fox was dealing.
In order to get that fox information that's not James roses and its private information that's Fox News Channel and whose -- information.
So I don't know how they got that because I haven't seen that affidavit yet that hasn't been made public what -- the president do.
The president could tell the FBI lay off the press.
When there when there practicing the ordinary craft of journalists like asking questions but that's not for this president to do.
This president who's incredibly weak in a lot of areas of law enforcement and national security thinks he can beat beat up on the press he will do that to his political -- If the press turns on him Chris I'll say -- right here he could very well end up like Richard Nixon and we know how unhappy for Nixon his second term ended up that was.
And I want to leave the Internet with this poll.
It's the second of these -- -- if you're listening.
Do you feel that the government is out of control and threatening your basic civil liberties.
Of respondents in the latest Fox News poll said that they did.
That includes plenty of Democrats funny people and -- the alarm is growing.
Chris this was a president who when he was a state Senator -- United States there with the exception of the right to life was she happy.
Total of civil liberties.
But criticisms he made about the Patriot Act and the Bush Administration could have been made -- Ron Paul.
Yeah and they were made by senator Barack Obama gets in the White House.
And he's more authoritarian that George Bush and Dick Cheney ever dreamed of being.
Yeah well we don't know -- well I don't -- is doing right I don't know -- doing no more authoritarian than they ever wore Gray Davis I'm I'm kidding I'm kidding him.
But did judge I'm not kidding when I say that you are an indispensable resource for this network and we will -- -- -- -- -- the -- gone through you know what I never it never -- what's the -- Kelly -- 1 o'clock.
My man as there may be the smartest decision.
Sort of style buses that -- -- -- a special report tonight.
So we did have time for PowerPoint word and get back in the -- -- promise and now.
As we like to do every day we want to leave you with the work from our friend Charles.
I repeat Jay Carney is underpaid he -- is saying of president.
But didn't I'd say the administration which is just trash the the First Amendment but he can't talk about it produced under investigation will be cannot -- to finalize.
There's a believer in the First Amendment.
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