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As a new fireworks in Capitol Hill in the prior arrests pop political profiling scandalized the house -- attacks agency's former commissioner Dutch woman.
Also at the center a woman her name is -- learner she announces that she's invoking her Fifth Amendment right just hours ago not to incriminate herself.
But not before insisting that she has done nothing wrong.
All this comes on the heels they contentious hearing yesterday on the senate side.
And we're joined now by senator Orrin hatch Republican from you -- he's the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee and that's the committee that has the jurisdiction.
Over the -- -- senator we were just speaking just the other week about.
-- what these hearings would produce it I guess the big question that we all have is is how close are we to finding out who is accountable for this.
Well senator baucus and -- the chairman of the committee and I frankly members and a very extensive question there.
To the IRS and world we should get -- -- -- primary 31 and hopefully that'll shed some light on this but.
Right now and the investigations.
Of both in the house and the senator just preliminarily.
Going ahead of where we didn't have the former commissioner and they acting commissioner.
In yesterday as well as civilians and -- The investigator who invest investigated this problem they didn't really investigated actually -- -- there which is a far cry from investigations.
There's a lot we have to learn there's a lot we have to go into when we're gonna have to follow up on this like.
We -- why is that it has one of the things that it did that folks that you just mentioned continue to stay in the inspector general's report continues to asserts.
As at the targeting of Tea Party groups and at a conservative -- organizations.
That the targeting was not politically motivated what do you make of that claim knowing what you know now.
-- -- Both her commissioner former commissioner -- and and then mr.
Miller of the acting commissioner of the I felt that they were -- and there are their -- responses yesterday and the fact of the matter is we've got -- -- -- events.
It if it's anybody who thinks that this was just something that just happened.
I think really isn't looking at a very carefully.
You know I sent three letters over there.
Two of them and and -- about face problems and didn't mention them in the murders even though he knew best that we were asking for.
In other words evaded respond responses to -- senate that he should have given.
And I just think this is that this is a big mess with the IRS and it's a big -- for the administration and anybody who thinks that.
It's not an important investigation that could goes -- it's the right and already a success the White House at least as far as people knowing about it and -- has that they're good.
I'm that if I could have you you've served seven terms of senator now you one of the most senior and senior.
I senators that.
That is currently serving -- might have dropped on your experience for this next question which has to do with the administration changing a bit their timeline.
And who knew what -- what do you make of their assertion that that top advisors to the president did not inform the president.
Of this investigation and before you learn from the news media perhaps that this was actually ongoing.
Well I know those advisors and and as far as I know -- -- -- people but it's it's kind of hard to believe that something this bombastic this important.
That they would not -- council with the president on and at least.
On the basis -- maybe he would get some questions and you at least have to be able to answer.
Those kind of things bother me a great deal but right as of right now.
You know I know I don't think this investigation is long gone far enough to.
I just say that there's criminal behavior here yeah I have to say I feel very limited mr.
-- is taken the Fifth Amendment.
You know but that's her right and answered questions for counsel on this certainly constitutionally protected right you know we've got to get -- -- of this and we're gonna have to.
We're gonna have to get to the moment.
What was it was switching your power out of things are reconciled to what is that you said that some of the responses from those that you you asked that the former commissioners of -- IRS.
-- acting commissioner of the higher SEC their responses are pathetic that you wish that mrs.
Actually answer some questions today we know that -- -- the -- so what's next -- How -- we see this along to figure out what's going nine.
-- investigations are just beginning growth in the house and the senate.
We'll get very extensive information back from the IRS that senator baucus and I've requested.
There will then take that and go from there and I think the key is that we need to get to the bottom level we need to make sure that this.
Most powerful of all agency -- most Americans are afraid to hear from.
-- has to live within certain constraints just like everybody just like all other agencies and especially this agency so our goal is to try and make sure that.
The IRS which is under our jurisdiction.
Is properly managed and all times and that.
And that the American public the American people are treated fairly whether they're liberal.
Moderate or conservative I'd be just as upset -- it was liberal groups were targeted like that targeted conservative groups.
And anybody who doesn't believe that they were trying to keep those conservative groups from raising money and participating in this -- the last election.
Got a bridge to sell them you know somewhere that that.
For a hundred dollars and in fact of the matter.
-- was -- now with our tax -- senator because that's ahead.
If you -- well whether I don't report the hundred dollars it's affected them.
Visit I had a question here you that you were very clear yesterday in very fired up quite frankly.
And -- -- the -- you're getting saying that there were there weren't they reliant version relying by by omitting information that -- -- to congress right why do.
-- -- my neighbor here that's what makes you think you contrast the information coming now from now -- -- Where we're concerned about.
Thank god but I have to say my letter sort of -- that we asked for information on precisely in these matters and and and frankly.
They didn't that the letters were -- responsive and frankly.
Four responses from what we've asked and I accused mr.
Miller of lying -- -- and -- -- That when they found out about these things as and they -- -- when they found.
During the time that I sent the letters of when they thought about these things they have an obligation to come to us and say yes we found these things we want to disclose this -- this is important.
We're sorry we didn't know about -- before if that's the case.
They didn't do that they basically normal respect that ignored the whole issue and that's not the way -- -- operate in this particular firm.
Plus senator relief for having back as we continue to follow this story and and where it goes next.
Thank you again for the time is always there appreciate it.
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