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That's a depleting this -- you heard from the Tea Party about -- -- pleading the fifth today at the IRS now.
To senator Marco Rubio says he's heard more than enough today.
-- pretty outrageous that she went to the committee kind of testified.
It's got -- this part of the argument -- left -- -- talking anymore so I think it's certainly instructive look the bottom line is.
Number one let's just realize what's happening here the IRS either deliberately targeted Americans because of the political views or they're incompetent.
Which one of those that we feel more comfortable where I think they're both really bad.
-- in particular it's really bad -- the IRS is incompetent because they're on the front lines of implementing obamacare.
Now as far as -- the IRS specific issue goes I think we need more investigations we need to get to the bottom of exactly how this happened.
Who said what you know the house -- timeline on this issue continues to shift.
In terms of who knew what within the white house with find out yesterday that the question that -- answer was actually staged and planted at an event.
This shows a level a calculation that I think is increasingly concerned and so.
But I think both the house and senate should be having more investigative hearings and bringing people in -- testify under oath so we can get to the bottom of what happens.
You recently filed an amendment to the 2013 farm bill that would call for stiff partisan virus agents who leak.
And what would that punishment involved.
Well I think it basically can become felony if they're doing it deliberately like that and I think that's really problematic think about it -- you're turning over.
Documents to a government agency and then someone in that agency is cooperating with the press and an effort to embarrass you.
And that's a separate from this whole paperwork targeting in the not profit section.
And that's another thing that happened -- that hasn't gotten nearly enough attention should be looked at as well.
So that that needs to be -- criminalize the beyond that I think it needs to be part of this investigation as well.
Now senator over the weekend I think you were talking to an audience in.
In Florida -- for ugly club where you address something bigger.
Afoot here that maybe -- of of government itself quoting here you said history teaches us that when government is too large and too powerful to matter who's in charge of the lead to abuses he went on to say.
When you create that culture in your government it is going to infected people.
That work in another words do you think that in this environment IRS agents were embolden.
To do this test them so so I think there's two separate parts of that number one is I think you have an administration that clearly -- -- fostered a culture of intimidation.
They basically said -- you disagree with us on an issue.
We don't just have a disagreement you're -- bad person and we're gonna tell everybody how bad you are and we're gonna go out and basically scenario they did that throughout the campaign -- they -- to Mitt Romney but also the Mitt Romney supporters.
You see that even now you don't agree with them on the definition of marriage your -- You know -- you somehow believe life begins at conception your your anti woman so this is their modus operandi and I think that does influence of people that work with -- -- government.
And how they use their powers beyond that the argument is I don't -- -- -- -- Republican or Democrat in charge the bottom line is that in your government is too large and too powerful you're going to have a pieces.
Which is why the founders of this country limited government's powers they learn the lessons of history they lived under oppressive government.
They didn't want a repeat that here they didn't buy this idea that if you just elect better people you'll have better government.
The fact of the matter is that at some point in governments not limited no matter who you elect or who you put in charge there are going to be abuse.
But it if if the environment is such that it encourages sort of like the Indians to do stuff on their own without the chiefs.
Then maybe this could be -- case of the chiefs -- the White House having nothing to do it this they might have fostered an atmosphere and it allows these.
They say rogue agents to do what they're doing.
-- -- or not we're gonna.
Well let's find out that's what the investigations are all about but right now with the White House is saying and think about what the White House -- -- The White House is saying this wasn't -- this was in confidence so their defense is that the IRS and the people that work for them are incompetent.
But I think we do need to answer that question.
Was this directed that who knew about this and when what if they knew about it earlier why didn't -- act on it there's evidence that some people -- about it last year in the middle of the campaign and kept it quiet.
So I think that question needs to be answered no doubt about it.
But if we take them at their word right now what they're basically saying it's no this is because of incompetence.
And here's the problem the agency they're accusing of and confidence also happens to be on the front lines of implementing obamacare they're gonna hire 2000 new agents next year.
They're gonna go through the personal medical insurance history of of Americans.
Certify that you happen.
He's out there right now would you -- absolutely right absolutely and it's related to our resident dedicated sort of like they're trying to let the states and I have to be stopped.
Well we need to -- -- around because -- -- beginning and 2014 people are really gonna start to feel the pain of what this means.
Senator I want to switch gears and get your reaction to something more than that stripping.
-- just how it looked and sounded when the Judiciary Committee approved.
Immigration reform and at thirteen to five vote.
Want you to listen to this educator and and and and I'm wanted to ask you something about -- this -- from last.
And I know it's very hard to hear us senator but they kept standing in the crowd yes we can yes lieutenant.
I'm not so veiled reference to the administration and -- the president.
Now this was put tested in a bipartisan manner as -- at -- defied a number of Republicans were on board.
But do you worry.
That among conservatives in your party if it forever labels you close the guy who -- -- -- The president.
And his -- Well first of our plan is not the president -- by the time the bill was done it will look nothing like what the president initially wanted fact -- admitted admitted as much.
I would just say this about that Channing and all that stuff.
The immigration reform will be a lot easier to do that the president we're enforcing the existing laws will be a lot easier to do it Janet Napolitano stopped going around telling people the border is secure.
When everyone knows that that's not true.
Would be a lot easier to -- the president we're serious about it.
About stopping any future waves of illegal immigration.
Look the American people the vast majority of conservatives are prepared to deal with the fact that we do have eleven million people in this country that are illegally here we're prepared to deal without.
But only if we can ensure that that this -- -- followed up by another wave of illegal immigration.
And one of the things that shakes people's confidence that that's true -- -- that's gonna happen is the way this administration has administered our current immigration laws.
So when these folks are chanting yes we can they should be candidates -- the White House because they wanted to secure border and they wanted to improve that situation.
They could right now and one of the reasons why we have to stop this what we have to pass this law is because we can't leave in place the status quo that allows the president.
And -- -- I you're not going -- center but a lot of -- conservatives within your own party seem to be -- -- -- -- -- don't deal with it at all.
Senator Ted Cruz comes to mind the newly elected senator from Texas who says and I quote here.
If you're somebody in another country wants to going to be the US and you thought all the rules you play it.
To come legally we pass something that allows those here illegally -- citizens if it means you're a child.
Well first of -- I would say it's going to be a lot easier and cheaper to -- the right way.
We certainly insured that's one of our principles and bill.
But I would say about senator crews and vast majority of my colleagues include including him have -- -- they've admitted we do need immigration reform we need responsible immigration reform.
We need an immigration reform that modernized as our legal immigration system.
And that puts in place mechanisms to ensure there -- future.
Illegal immigration and so absolutely we do need to have a legal immigration system that works better so that people are not incentivized or rewarded.
The come here -- But do you think that for all your efforts to try to bridge that and address the millions -- who are here illegally.
There are many your body just saying don't blink don't about don't ban.
Just super mall back what he's -- and well I actually haven't heard that from very many people I think the vast majority of people in my party you know there's a debate online do say that it amounts to amnesty and they -- that.
-- you know something that they will not -- Well.
Again and I think that there's differences of opinion within the movement on people who worked together on all kinds of other stuff but I would just say my argument continues to be if we don't pass anything we have amnesty.
We have a -- and and a half million people potentially living in the United States illegally.
And they're gonna be here whether we pass this bill or not.
Quite frankly there are no consequences -- that.
There won't be any consequences that under this president and every year that goes by the more entrenched and they get the American economy but they're not paying taxes they're they're not you know being held accountable for the work they're doing -- -- -- -- so we don't know who they are these are the sorts -- reasons why we have to pass immigration reform.
If you leave the status -- place that that is amnesty.
I'm senator -- -- -- you gotta go but you know we're forty years after Watergate and daddy.
And both parties have said that the way these hearings are are are are going on -- if it could be another scandal plagued summer the -- of the White House and maybe -- to -- president.
Do you think this is like Watergate to you.
Well it isn't right now because we're still undergoing an investigation let's find out what happened here.
It was either criminal wrongdoing that was deliberately done or this isn't confidence either one is -- we need to know the answer to that.
We know the answer to that because the agency at the center of this.
Is the IRS and the IRS and in addition to being in charge of our tax code is now on the front lines of obamacare a massive expansion of government.
Doesn't smell like and whatever agency of well I would just say let's have an investigation -- we throw that term around but bottom line is we need to know the answer to that because the credibility the American government.
And the trust of our people on the people that run it is at -- All right Tom Marco Rubio does and he's not done with this and -- -- -- IRS masses behind us.
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