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I just want to start out with this the I mentioned Twitter.
It was actually there were actually many many tweets about the time for some reason the time.
Just picks up the lights there's Josh Hammond -- your time made of -- relinquished super shiny twins -- time.
And then we have Jean Martin junior love Brett -- but is that a plastic red tie.
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Well anyway that's the deal with the tough.
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Let's talk pick up where we left off -- first of all it's done.
How awesome he reaction -- that London attack was just so there's no homework today.
Hacking in the street of that guy and British authorities -- investigating.
But this time directly terrorism.
It looks so through local and homegrown.
That you wonder why did the prime minister come back from a visit to Paris right away called the I think -- -- camera special cabinet.
As if there's some kind of -- if they might perhaps their information of something larger looks like something smaller.
So additionally having -- to the warning that -- impress me.
Prime minister Cameron announced within I don't know immediately that this was a terrorist attack.
Right in our country where the president says.
Yeah you know what if somebody jumps on the table and shouts.
Our car and shoots people at Fort Hood.
To this day.
I think gives you reported earlier it's not considered a terror attack.
And in fact the victims -- entitled to the kind of compensation.
Then they would get otherwise so I think there's -- due to the government into speaks the truth.
Plainly honestly and quickly and one that for some almost unfathomable reason.
Refuses ever to admit that we're at war with radical Islam.
-- I -- I think it was a horrific attack I don't know if there is anything else afoot and that's the reason why why he came back and convene a meeting.
But it was pretty brazen right out on the street the -- talk to somebody with a camera with -- to -- dripping with blood and firm them by about five minutes.
It's time and it was just incredible.
Defense team into the police arrived and I shot and a within a charge that -- -- -- -- Please shut them.
And we could not have gotten away unfortunately because I think -- all -- unarmed citizens television unarmed now they wanted to have a -- the voice the of the publishing and wanted to be out of the martyrs and McDougall Chris -- my colleague who spent a lot of immigration or from problems with.
Is -- messenger in Europe.
Says that in Britain several years ago there were encouragement on the Internet.
For people to behead a British soldier well at one point it was to behead a British Muslim soldiers -- making and make an example of some.
Pakistani immigrant -- homegrown.
-- born -- Britain but who is you know from Pakistan New York.
Asian or African origin to sort of make an example he's got to traders I don't -- the soldier who was killed today was was that.
But I think NASA has been talk about this in the past so.
And here's another very strange story you how out of Miami which is the the friend one of the suspects in the Boston bombing.
Killed in -- shooting with FBI.
And what they say it was.
In which six.
Authorities were in the room with him.
In his place in this house or apartment and then he pulls a knife on one of the guys and get -- this is such.
Strange story that I think it will launch a thousand conspiracy theories this is a Jack ruby's story.
This is supposedly this guy was a friend.
Of the older.
-- I have.
And there was some suspicion some of the stories I saw that he might have been in love in the triple murder.
Which occurred some years ago and sort of very obscure who and why -- why.
And whether the eldest -- -- I have was involved in that so here is a one witness who would've known who knew the brother.
Who presumably has some information about the triple murder.
And now he's dead and effective as you -- -- was six FBI agents he only had a nice they had guns.
Makes you I mean -- I'm not a conspiracy theorist I believe.
Oswald acted alone when you start from there.
But this is the kind of action -- had people inventing all kinds of connections that will go on for a very long time.
OK a lot of people writing in about the James Rosen sort of the investigation.
By using the ridiculous claim that Rosen would be a flight risk.
They get the DOJ got the court to keep the documents under seal in other words no one got wind of the snooping.
Through all the phone records and -- now.
And so they would keep -- information from him.
Goes on -- which makes it seems so then you have a question of of the judge who -- that I mean let's set aside that the FBI agent who.
Who puts it in the -- -- -- and then you have the judge to approve it today that judge came out.
Chief judge of -- federal court issued an unusual order apologizing to the public and the media for not making certain court documents.
Widely available on line.
And he issued an order saying that.
He should have put it on line this particular order.
And he doesn't if you're the leak the accused is bleaker.
And his attorney.
Don't you look at that and say.
Well -- I think it was another judgment you improved in this is the chief judge of that of that court.
-- so what's what's sums and it is 40 you re right there a federal judge had ordered the documents unsealed and him.
It is a look at your treasured very difficult position justice farmer comes to you assume they're being honest and sincere.
They say we really do need to go west to disguise well he he's also my -- -- -- mean.
What can imagine a hypothetical situation in which someone who's a reporter is a genuine.
Co -- -- -- but just the obviously it in my mind if you wanted to give him credit for having such that he -- -- -- someone to do.
To give him classified documents that person would be also participate in a crime wouldn't just be reporter.
Doing his job isn't evidence needless to say in this case that -- present any evidence but.
The judges a tough position but if he comes back for me that he does I mean I know little bit early investigations.
Normally you go to -- reporter at some point and say look we need to know did you talk to this -- of what is left to my sources and they have a negotiation we've all heard about this over the years occasionally gets down to where you confront the reporter -- Temps are you gonna need to talk.
Reports about the Jeff.
As I understand that none of this happened.
-- -- -- shares -- no no -- -- paid heed the guy that you know the story of the -- you -- -- -- dealt with the regular story about.
We've just indicted him that we need some cooperation from you and then what the report we usually say as Marquette took my sources that -- you might if there's a reasonable -- -- -- purely.
Mechanical sorts of things you might give over some you know where information or whatever or say where you were certain -- whatever.
They never went to -- what does that tell you that this was not a normal investigation where they were trying to see.
Someone say someone in the State Department gave over some.
Information they seem to really -- headed in for.
James Rosen I think it's really kind of my boxing actually I can't understand why -- -- -- to have a chance to go to court to try to quash the subpoena.
Saying that being painfully ironic gladiator he has I didn't need it's not like -- previously AP is more classic situation.
Where they wanted to get the AP records to see who we've done the leaking -- -- I don't believe we've although they had its -- it has John.
But expensive we're character we're -- aspect but I don't believe they actually said.
People -- you may be our targets in the investing now surely there's -- there's Jonathan this is a very bizarre I mean unless someone I mean either they've.
We're very I don't know what I mean so -- -- look into it and future it ultimately -- -- the attorney general who I think has to approve these kinds of media.
Investigations under Department of Justice -- I think he needs to be called for congress is that what you doing here as I said here on the panel.
Few days ago in an interview with NPR the attorney general told them he does not remember how many of these investigations is approved he knows he's turned down.
A few of them.
So that suggests Charles that there are -- men.
And he says he -- -- and remember when he -- themselves.
He -- on the AP case we don't know how when and where would.
Was he on this campus and -- anybody asking -- and I really do think.
-- was right -- -- everybody's pretending that if you're high up in these.
And you say I didn't know some you're absolve.
You are responsible it isn't just you know nominally responsible you are -- guy in charge.
And I mean this is such an unusual case it can be interpreted.
I have no idea if it's true as a way to get in -- Fox News.
Mean that could be one interpretation.
To sealed indictment -- you can claim he's a flight is so the united additional so nobody knows.
You don't go any sitcoms the usual negotiations.
And -- -- Fox News and you've got all these numbers that you're that you tracing.
I there rather explanations as well but somebody injustice including your attorney general ought to start to say something other than.
You know I was having lunch when all this was happening.
-- of the fine line that the president and the attorney general trying to walk is by saying number one I didn't know this is happening.
But I'm not somebody -- removed and unable to control my own government it's really tough to argue both of those things -- the same time.
President said in the I -- didn't know anything about it but of course as soon as I found out I made heads Roland.
I'm working -- to take this by the end he just -- he came across the scene of -- crime well I mean he's the police chief.
It's not as if you walking and all of a sudden you discover on Obama acts as if you know something's happened.
And he says in one of these instances and my job to fix -- no that's not your job.
Your job is to run a government which it doesn't happen or if it doesn't mean you learn about it go your subordinates to.
And you discuss it and you you you fix it before it becomes a scandal after -- -- -- of course you got to fix.
And -- and Oklahoma writes is the FBI monitoring this online ship when you know so -- Definitely wanna wait to hear him.
I dug in Louisiana the story Rosen was working on was hardly a big secret.
North Korea story.
Guess we have -- Nadler.
Sounds from the panel yet aren't just on the -- reviewers -- bill.
Not just the justice department of all the excesses of government is very diligent about record keeping and memos and there will be a strain of memos up the line saying we feel we need to.
Gross and we need authority sign off authority test the FBI go to court to try to get this stuff.
And with someone really needs to look into that I think this is does seem to be just so I'm not not a you know I'm pretty hardliner on national security -- -- the -- -- grass right -- admission is a problem.
Just -- entitled to investigate that.
This is so bizarre the naming of -- and the reporter -- has a co conspirator flight risk and going after him as opposed to simply.
Contacting him at some -- and say we have this investigation going on about -- -- with like some cooperation from -- which is the traditional way to do things.
One last thing on this two lawmaker speaking out today about a possible shield law.
In congress one of them Democrat -- -- -- -- -- And again I don't care who the president is -- winner which party executive branch cannot be its own judge.
If they want to say that they have to gets.
Information they have to interview.
Journalists who whatever because of existent exiting national security reasons someone's gonna die or whatever but -- convince supporters that.
I don't care what network for -- -- from who you blog for whether -- Republican Democrat left or right conservative or liberal few of one thing that you rely on.
And that trust has been broken.
Congressman Nadler started off a little slow there but I would apologize to him.
Shield law does have a chance.
I don't know I mean the shield law has come up before or Chuck Schumer brought it up in the senate on the -- lot.
If it passes the way the White House wants to would have an exception for national security by the way.
But it would say that reporters do not have to divulge their sources in the course amendment and that of an investigation so I think would be something -- -- -- -- -- this in this comment how totally irrelevant you I'm not personally favor -- -- -- it.
Leaving that aside it would have literally nothing.
Do in this case this is just grab it and -- want to be able to investigate but it good but Rosen would not be compelled today to divulge is his sources and when that didn't jail I think that's what that film they'd ever went to -- after the devote resources and this is a total in my view of the administration's telling us that hey let's have a show -- the government in this case.
And -- -- because that you do the AP case they went to court to get these.
I wanna move to -- speaking of Chuck Schumer.
-- he has not said much about the sirens.
Case at all and there are.
Letters from senator Schumer to the IRS that's and say that he wanted the IRS investigations.
-- many Democrats were asking for now -- and.
Here we come to the climate issue.
Whenever you have a -- on the Republican side it's a love the president wasn't involved -- -- -- -- Graham.
But he gave me there was a climate where you could do this kind of stuff.
And abused prisoners or whatever.
Well there certainly was a climate here that climate was as you say a lot of democratic.
Senators and others urging really heightened scrutiny about the Tea Party.
The climate were the president of the United States.
Says that these groups are a threat to democracy.
The president of the United States in the State of the Union Address announcers and the whole idea of these groups and intimate says some of them could be taking.
And undermining our electoral process says it in the presence of the Supreme Court insulting them.
So what you're getting and you can imagine the pressure.
If you're working in the government do you get a sense you know the democratic senators are anxious about heavy scrutiny particularly of the Tea Party.
The president is in -- says it's a threat to democracy.
And think of the mainstream media how they treated the Tea Party.
When we had the shooting -- -- And the guy who goes in the movie theater and shoots it up.
There was used to read was at NBC or ABC who reported.
That they had matched the name of the shooter with a Tea Party list I mean why would you even looking to tee participants.
Who was ABC.
I mean did the mindset of the so the media elite.
That this is a little bit proletariat.
It's ready you know neo fascist.
Ready to burst and explosion that was -- atmosphere under which all of this has happened.
And that's a client and it starts at the top.
So -- Cisco.
It does is special prosecutor what what is a lot of people are asking here typing and -- what's taking so long for special prosecutor.
I'm not sure we discussed a prosecutor lets see what congress can recover I prefer to have a lot more of these hearings and get a lot of people up to testify may be immunized some of them if necessary.
The -- with a special prosecutor is -- then goes into a black hole.
-- that once -- -- -- the legal investigation no one can talk for his special prosecutor will take two or three years at the end of the day can be damaging.
To an administration also the -- a lot of people often do it honestly and in ways that are unfortunate and I'm just sometimes so I'm not a big fan of special prosecutors.
This is why we have congress takes have oversight and the big thing I think the congress should also remembers.
What is the Internal Revenue Service if it's part of the Treasury Department it -- offers and rules passed by congress.
It spends money appropriated by congress congress can pass legislation congress and say you know what.
Every five once and for that application must be granted within a 120 days or you have to explain to congress why you haven't granted it.
You know what you don't have authority anymore to do XY -- -- and this is not a case where congress is just -- that she shouldn't think of themselves in my views of kind of passive bystander they should think about what.
Legislative remedies there are for this just as after boarding -- Democrats passed a million things to try to prevent this -- again and one thing they should do is say.
No IRS role in obamacare that's a huge expansion of the IRS in obamacare if it was a forward as it.
Is both an expansion numbers and -- big expansion in authority and discretion.
That's perfectly reasonable I think for the congress to say what you know what will.
For now at least no virus prone obamacare the administration was oh my god we can't -- Blair a lot of care.
That's their problem nation -- the winner of play with Iran and Sacramento 2014 election consequences.
Well I think this is just a natural to energize the Republican party's base at the absolute least we don't know if it's going to be worse -- at a minimum.
I think the Republicans have a great tool to get their voters to the polls 2014 authority going to be more Republican electorate than the one that shows up in presidential years.
The Democrats are defending an awful lot of senate seats in red states.
There's several open -- season second in open senate seats in red states so I think this is an advantage the Republicans how big too soon to tell.
Can energize Democrat.
Anybody -- get the Republicans overreached I think Joyner does a lot of Democrats know I mean you know energized Democrats -- ever dealt with the it is not only Republicans who are offended.
You saw on that committee this morning a lot of Democrats yes the woman sometimes for Republicans that's a question I'm saying that it -- in some way kind of loosen.
-- -- assume there was some of his allegiance to the party at this you know activity to Republicans.
But I -- and didn't think you know maybe this idea of big government intrusive government.
The IRS out of control about me it's not just a Republican issue to democratic -- -- and it's gonna hurt any Democrat who resists.
The idea of investigating and changing -- But he -- none of them are that's one thing you've seen in this every Democrat is outraged horrified.
You know wants this investigated I mean has -- -- and I was sick mother.
There were a group of liberal columnists who went to the White House yesterday spotted going in and and today.
There -- couple blocks predicting that they were going to.
Take some things and today looking at the collective same group.
They did that the scandals are disappearing.
That they're really doesn't really go beyond these lower level people now -- to be true for.
Afternoon that have to be true for that to happen you know.
And laying the -- the ambiguity in the -- the final and -- scores.
Whereas however ambiguous it is there's no conceivable way you could interpret the law as soon as you can discriminate against one group on the basis.
Well you know -- -- surprise what I'm surprised that does that more Democrats haven't pointed out that some of liberal groups with the name progress progress now progress this also had to face.
More than a year delayed again and the same kinds of interest in questionnaires but nobody is pushing them.
-- and -- are one of the Cincinnati iris iris workers at his level would never make those types of calls and they had to come from top levels we.
We pointed that out that fox nineteen reporting.
And swan has done a great job reporting their on the ground in Cincinnati the local affiliate.
And Doug put that in this piece is well Doug Callaway.
So I think you know you potentially have people in Cincinnati saying he was -- And they're they're saying that the structure.
The hierarchy there in Cincinnati was would just prevent them from being able to make those kind of decisions without it going up -- -- what.
What I think we know this and why did the IRS -- -- to -- investigate these groups because there was congressional pressure and that is how.
-- opposite works in some respects they and that there's there's -- and that's appropriate.
But usually when congressman senators right into government they say -- -- -- -- The situation unfairly you're trying to make him do this here.
These were letters as secure facilities -- letters saying hey ERS are being unfair to like this -- that's kind of -- this letter saying hey iris and go after those other people.
That is a pretty extraordinary letter right I really do think -- senate Democrats and house Democrats who wrote those letters.
Need to be held to account I think back to be pretty potent.
Can't -- -- -- -- one thing to say you know.
I think you being unfair to my local Tea Party group here that contacted me they haven't gotten a response and a 190 days could you do something that's a classic congressional.
Letter to bureaucracy saying you don't seem to be.
Doing justice my position is this is an attempt by Democrats to get the IRS to go after their political opponents the people they -- -- their political opponents who seems to work.
I want to point out this this one thing before we have one more topic before we wrap up.
First of all that internal investigation Charles.
Happens inside the IRS.
We learned today happens a year before the IG's investigation is even launched.
No one knows about there's no documents about it but -- testimony that now.
They have the results that match according to I said the results of the IG report.
Then you have the IG who starts this long investigation that takes a year.
And there -- -- its criticism.
Based on the inspector general act which says.
Each inspector general shall report immediately to the head of the establishment involved whenever the inspector general becomes aware of a particularly serious or flagrant problem.
Abuses deficiencies relating to the administration of programs and operations of such establishment.
The head of the establishment shell -- transmit the head of the establishment meaning IRS.
Shall transmit any such report to the appropriate committees or subcommittees of congress within seven calendar days.
Together with a report by the head of the establishment containing any comments such head deems appropriate.
There were a lot of heads but not a lot of.
Days became a year.
There are those people testified in the meantime that -- nothing was going neck and it right I mean there there's so much here.
If you compare we were a week ago -- the defenses are crumbling.
We are now blame the extent to which how many people high up in the IRS in the ING -- about all this and essentially.
From the way you're going to say you're still -- -- -- -- is really I think -- he was the Irish director.
He testifies in march of last year he says it was absolutely none of this happening using the -- absolutely.
In fact he didn't even make any inquiries he knew almost nothing give you -- it's actually is not -- he learns.
Two months later that it is happening.
And he says nothing.
And he remains in office until November.
Now that I think it's just absolutely damning.
The idea of the story is being.
Whether it was on the IG report.
All wrapped up and we couldn't even look at it until last week and that's you -- the law requires.
That nice it was extremely upset today with the ninety.
And he said look you you know unified guy.
But you are required to report.
Good ongoing discoveries.
And you did not for a year.
And that I mean this is a very large.
Issue of suppression of what was known.
Think and it looks as if if you're an outside observer.
That it's a hell of a coincidence.
It's because it looks as if suppressed to get that to get.
-- the -- tomorrow.
If you go by the White House -- explanation that they never want to interfere with the IG report because they want to keep it independent.
What about the IRS internal investigation of itself why -- the White House -- that.
Why why wouldn't the head of the IRS say hey boss we've got an issue here here's what our internal report said.
Inspector general's gonna star.
Yet that's what I'm talking -- -- that this balance between wanting to look innocent because -- didn't know what was going on but in the meantime your painting yourself as somebody who doesn't even.
Is -- aware of what your own government is doing and certainly had -- and in control of it.
I can't answer that question I think that's a really good question.
But I -- was set up -- inspector generals and by congress what thirty years ago or something like that as a way used to have a check on.
The bureaucracy and and I mean I was just after educators from our reform two and a half three years.
We -- IG investigations all the time occasion they did find flaws even fraud some -- from these programs.
The IG would report to -- -- -- chief of staff -- to the deputy secretary of section of kind of serious it was.
Our ongoing investigations and if there was it's not an excuse not to do anything that there's an IG investigation going on that is an important investigative tool -- you're still.
Responsible as secretary of the treasury your -- your education for what's going on your apartment and you're not paralyzed.
Until yearlong investigation goes on special that's already been an internal investigation -- crazy I mean he'll be like with Abu Ghraib which Charles -- to visit you know what.
Rumsfeld and bush are gonna suspend anyone they're not gonna close down the prison and marketed to -- to remove those the general who's in charge.
Do you say we have have a thorough IG investigation for the next six months I mean.
Again it's very important to get actual accountability I think to the cabinet secretaries -- commission does -- confirmed by the senate.
Let me say a lot of questions about -- -- there will be more talk about -- -- and we -- to work on another hour.
On in Gaza because we have some new information and were working on it but it should be prediction.
It's that's not going away from people who are interest in that Steve Marino from played North Carolina this is what color is press time.
It's twist to a red -- was in the red.
Let's wrap up please it is at a book here.
Last down the road immigration reform passes the senate committee it now has the senate floor of the house is working on its own version prospect down -- -- -- Stood Tyler has no chance announced it will be something else having announced the best I could happen would be.
How should produce a bill and nobody conference but I'm not sure about -- and you could you have McConnell speaking -- and he says look.
We've got to be sure about enforcement.
And I don't know what's in the bill that was -- gonna hit the floor.
But that in in the Republican response to what's in the bill he's gonna hinge almost entirely from the seriousness or -- seriousness.
Of what's in there for enforcement.
I think it will pass I think it's done a pretty it's been very resilient they fended off every hostile amendment.
I think the Republican establishment wants to pass an immigration bill and I think it will get passed the senate with a sizable majority.
What happens in the house is unclear but I think something will get to conference bill.
Yeah I'm not sure but I just don't know like that you have to bet on a pass in the senate now -- -- got -- committee rule thirteen to 53 Republican votes.
But that I personally think -- described in the planet regression of -- the more you look at the bill.
The more problems you see and I wonder how well -- will do as this is serious for debate on the enforcement issues.
Some of the big government bureaucratic type issues it has a little bit of resemblance to obamacare you know it creates -- it's huge it's a very complicated -- -- over structure monitors the best way to fix the problems.
They're immigration systems in this -- -- -- actual debate on the floor and the amendments on the floor make a difference.
OK thank you panel Barbara Minnesota though.
Minnesota kudos to James terror in Connecticut how is James doing.
He's doing fine he's humbled by -- support.
That he's received on emails letters and all kinds of things from colleagues and from people and from viewers -- Dominic Carter in the fetal position.
He's doing fine -- is generally.
Activated an aunt and I -- -- some other way out of the door these big suitcases well you -- the end of that appeared -- how he would say yeah it looks good and I Portuguese.
Guidebook and he's not flight risk I promise he'll be around.
And it was a little awkward.
I think reported becoming the story are part of the story so.
He doesn't want to talk about and neither do.
Lawyers who you know this is still ongoing deal but.
He's doing fine so thanks for asking panel thank you.
By the way talks about it a little bit on O'Reilly about -- answer to an end of that.
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