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Concentrate -- is not holding back he says top IRS official lowest -- cavs -- both ways Cashman dowdy.
Joins us nice to see you nice to see you okay so she makes a statement she takes an -- She makes a statement.
And then she says she's asserting her fifth and -- it's a waiver.
That she can't do that.
I think you have a great argument underground or she invested it is a waiver I mean if you could do it the way she wants to do that in every defendant would come say I didn't -- the -- and how much can answer the prosecutor's questions.
And that's not the best way calculated to get out the truth which is what we want to do.
So we'd all -- life like to get out our version without having to answer anyone else's questions is just not fair and and I don't think it's legal and -- reason I raise it which are much.
Yeah I've come back and forth all day long whether you're right Iran and you're right carrier -- and then it occurred to me that this is -- one of the dumbest things that she could have done and her lawyer who I know probably five -- think about it is that all she had to do was to go in there.
Take the fifth.
Leave the building if she gonna said the same thing on the steps of the United States capitol everyone in the media would have thought that we would all been -- -- it.
And then she wouldn't be in this position where you guys are thinking about going to court to compel her to testify as a waiver.
That -- have her lawyer read her statement or posted on FaceBook she had a lot of options but she didn't choose any of those she came as you noted.
To our committee hearing under subpoena.
Took the oath.
It is -- -- -- she might invoke and then she testified knew what she did -- testimony.
So when -- mock question a chair when I say it is well.
-- do we get our chance you say you've been lied to congress she -- breaking the IRS rules we'll let us decide that let -- ask you some questions.
-- -- -- got a a couple of different options that is disposal one of which is to bring her back to more I'll promise you -- and if she comes back to more she will invoke.
Which then we'll set up a contempt analysis.
Flat but imagine why I mean like she's gonna come back to the -- started taking offense if she's taken Leo she's made a statement I think what -- -- a huge risk is not the thing which is as I've not done anything wrong -- have not broken any laws but what she says and I have not provided false information to this or any other congressional committees that goes beyond just simply a denial I didn't get -- -- she walked into the police station says I hate you police -- you say I ran over the -- -- the truck.
But I'm not talk and taken the fifth and I'm walking out is that to me this is very different.
What she was very clear about it and fit it into an -- collect a couple weeks Jimmy Jordan a Greg congressman from Ohio sent out that he -- that she had misled congress and boost Donny and Paul Ryan and elders in the Ways and Means Committee made it pretty clearly thought -- misled or lied to congress.
We would not have any trouble proving that can we prove beyond a reasonable doubt I don't know can -- -- in the court of public opinion absolutely with letters and a failure to keep us all today.
So I understand why she wants to get out there than she did a lot of congress it's just -- -- How the -- to say what what I don't -- it.
Mean I don't even know what they're gonna win or lose if you take this to court what I don't get and then it's a lawyer in me is that why hire a lawyer putter and such a position where -- debating netware judge may be deciding when he could achieve the same thing without any risk at all.
I'll always never cruel for us tornadoes and are Smart enough to do that but I would never let my client have opened his or her mouth -- -- too many other ways you've noted shown just go all the steps afterward.
Have your lawyer read your statement.
She did the one act.
That most complicates.
Or her from a legal jeopardy standpoint -- does the committee had the stomach go to go to court and try to compel us you know what it depends so one or not we have -- -- -- -- to answer the questions here one -- the other questions today was give me a single name of a single person who was part of this conspiracy to target I don't know what name I don't think you know -- name.
So -- series -- -- finding out how this started and how it went for eighteen months.
That we're gonna need to talk to her.
He have been pretty thing you need to sort of accelerate -- -- ended under respected congress who have oversight we don't really do a lot of oversight what you do as you wait for something horrible thing happen and then you investigate.
Mean this isn't going out a lot of Americans have been hurt because there's terrified at the IRS a lot of -- -- -- conservative groups of you know you really could put nearly -- foot to the -- and really accelerate this either area either go after her and the -- is seeking to power testimony or give an arrest.
Well I would also say in addition to public hearings we do depositions in fact we did one today and -- and those -- glamorous and they're not always known by the public but.
Oversight staff is pursuing this club mr.
woods from Massachusetts is a -- on the other side they also -- the -- special prosecutor today.
This may be one of those instances so long as you can have a grand jury and access to subpoena power.
And the compulsion -- a process this may be a case where you want to look at a special prosecutor.
-- former commissioner said that that he was at the -- at the White House 118 ties mentioned even Easter egg roll.
How -- satisfied with his answers that he was we have given you the best of his recollection is played it straight -- do you think -- -- -- -- Choice.
Well what did you do when you learn that targeting was going on which may be as criminal.
What did you do I -- I'll listen to win for for a half hours and he didn't give a straight answer once he identified who he wasn't what is title was.
He had -- -- -- he was at the White House but I think this -- a 118 is more than some of the employees at the White House where there.
So that's a lot does -- do know who he was talking to expose not the White House have been exposed a lot -- -- -- Easter Bunny.
Well he said he office above.
I hope we don't know and to be honest with -- after listening to afford a half hours on my shoulder believe the answer anyway -- -- what did he know all of the targeting was going on.
Yes and he had nothing.
Oh no -- his defenses -- told the inspector general about it because he's incapable of doing anything other than telling an inspector general.
Who's doing -- all -- not even investigating nothing that he couldn't do anything about he could have done a lot about it but but his all all -- heard today it was yes I told the inspector general and that's the extensive read all of underneath the rest tonight and look the other way.
-- commission is suing you all do thank you sir yes ma'am thank you now.