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-- major announcement today expected sooner in the president's speech on terrorism plan to begin transferring prisoners.
Out of gitmo in Cuba and to other countries in some case their own home country.
Donald Rumsfeld was secretary of defense under President Bush -- the offer now a brand new book it's called rumsfeld's rules.
-- out on the road talk about it.
But he's in Washington today surrogate morning human nice to see again and welcome back to our program here in America's -- Thank you so much good to be with I want to get through a number of things -- next five minutes if I -- first on this this idea about sending detainees home.
-- gitmo do you support that.
Well it depends you have to look at each one there's no question but the goal is to not have them there.
And that's been going on for you know better part of a decade.
The problem is.
-- -- the ones that are left are the most difficult ones they're the worst of the worst they're the ones that either we couldn't find any place to send them.
Or that the people in those countries would -- would have let them go.
-- the people in those countries might not have handled them in the kind of humane way that that we believe president should be handled.
So it's not an easy thing to do -- a number of the ones that have been sent back over the past years.
Have ended up ended up back on the battlefield killing American that that is -- 56 of the 166 are from Yemen.
And you know you just referred to some of these guys go back and join the fight a lot of members of congress don't want to see these people released if you were advising him.
-- would you would you go about its.
Well what you have to do is take each case individually it seems to me you you and then you have to understand the country I can't quite understand.
How old they could be confident that Yemen.
-- -- Make sure they stay detained.
And on the drone policy we may get more on this today to that this is something that has been.
Pursued with bigger under this administration you look at Pakistan in 2010 at a 117 strikes in that country alone that you.
But yet this year that numbers drop considerably only thirteen to four in 2013.
In Yemen last year you had 42 drone strikes so far this year that has dropped to ten do you think this policy.
Has been effective.
I think we have to begin with the fact that a drone is nothing more than an airplane it just doesn't happen to have a human being flying it.
So you you -- to be able to do with the -- that which you do with the manned aircraft.
The difference is simply that one thing that there isn't a person and it.
I think -- is clearly going to be -- use for -- there has been in the past there will be in the future.
Both -- and a correction both armed and unarmed drones.
I'll I'll -- interest industry with the president has to say one of the big disadvantages.
With the drone strike.
Is you kill people.
And they may very well be people that you would prefer to be able to talk to and find out what they know -- so that you can but certainly aren't -- you know -- -- they get on the drone policy go hand in hand because if you do capture them you have to send them somewhere.
In if it's not a US prison that's got to be get no.
Or should they get I'll get most of them it's probably as well -- prison as you'll find out prisons are not nice places.
But these people were picked up on the battlefield -- -- down in Guantanamo because of their.
Danger they pose to the United States.
There's a process that handles them in -- humane way.
And -- and closing it.
I would really wanna see what he says and it would it would have plans to do now what that's speech also could touch on the war on terror -- is changed from 2001.
And it's likely that you're gonna hear -- theme about al-Qaeda decimated and areas like Afghanistan and Pakistan.
And it's likely to touch on the homegrown terror cases like Boston Massachusetts.
If you agree that the war on terror has change over the past twelve years.
Have we in effect changed with it and done that well.
No the United States still has not engaged.
The battle against the ideological battle.
Against the the terrorists in the world and they exist.
They they are are radical islamists.
This administration is unwilling to even use the phrase.
About islamists and and training of terrorists it seems to me that until you're willing to identify the enemy and -- willing to continue to go after that where they are.
And and to recognize that it will take time this is much more like the Cold War.
Then it is like World War I or Korea.
It's gonna take time and we after we have to be willing to engage against the people that are trained young people to go out and kill innocent men women and children.
Our polling what would seem to agree with you -- that.
Because we found -- just yesterday a clear majority 56% say that terrorism is more a threat today than it was after nine elevenths.
What does that suggest.
Well it suggests that we have not the end.
We haven't develop metrics where we can track and seen how well we're doing.
We -- the number of people that may be killed or captured but we don't know the number that are being recruited being trained.
We don't know how much money is being raised and given to -- we don't know the number of new madrassas.
We don't have any reports -- -- information on that at all and and it what you measure improved and we're not measuring anything relating to this but I consider -- one other topic to in this is significant to for the US military.
You've got this case developing.
The secret taping at West Point.
You have a story pop up last week explosive story to about sexual abuse alleged by the inspector of the abuse.
How big of an issue was this for the military.
Well it's a big issue it's an important issue I don't know that it's a larger issue in the military necessarily that it is in the private sector but but using.
Either oral or physical.
-- with respect to people that are under you is is a terrible thing and we ought to have a zero tolerance for.
Whether it's in the military or in the private sector -- -- are they handling it right.
Well it's hard to tell my guess is that data is better in the military than it is in the private sector and but but no matter where it is I think it's important that we recognize -- it's it's part of human beings and we need to have zero tolerance and if it's not being handled right they may need to fashion some sort of a slightly different approach.
So that people can report things up because my spy suspicion is a lot of people don't report.
-- -- Rumsfeld rule perhaps maybe they'd pick you up on that how was the book and if we read it what are we learned by the way.
Well lots of things -- it you know in life it's better to make original mistakes than them to repeat mistakes made by others.
And these rules which I've enjoyed collecting over many decades now.
Often -- Pieces of advice from folks a lot smarter and I am and and for making mistakes myself and watching other people make mistakes.
And I think that if it's the kind of a book that may be useful for people starting out people in mid career as well as.
People who -- managers -- leaders -- -- like it's worthwhile.
Good luck with -- campaign thank you for your time today dollar regular hours today out of --
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