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-- one talk unless your name is Jack Bauer.
You you can't force -- one to -- A prosecutor who has grand jury subpoena power the power to compel and the -- all for immunity where appropriate.
Is where we ought to go there are limits to what congress can do with.
Now let's congressman trade dowdy -- his options after.
-- -- the woman in charge of the -- -- unit that targeting conservative groups.
Refuse to testify -- and others believe she effectively waived her Fifth Amendment right to silence by.
Reading a statement giving her son of the story it was brief.
But -- Downey noted they can't force her to talk and that's why he'd like to see a special prosecutor haul her before a grand jury.
Stoddard is an associate editor and columnist for the hill AB good to see you.
-- -- generally the waiver of the Fifth Amendment applies to trials only this isn't a trial.
And and normally you can invoke your fifth at any point in time the lawyers are gonna have to iron that out but law.
What happened yesterday seem to really anger people on both sides of the aisle while Republicans and Democrats so has this just.
Inflamed -- escalated that the victory all in recriminations.
Over the -- scandal.
Yes I think this week it's really taken a -- we've learned -- that the walk that has that story from the White House continues to change and that's unsettling.
-- -- decided she couldn't testify because she could incriminate herself.
Now we've also learned that that virus has known about this targeting him and extra scrutiny.
For conservative groups now for more than a year and didn't tell congress so those that's really what matters not so much.
-- with what happened in the back and forth in her statement where she tried to say -- never given false information this committee and then run out the door before they can ask her what she meant by that.
So far you are right the expert lawyers who are familiar with this.
With this ground in the law say she did not -- really provide a subject.
Matter waiver and that it's probably unlikely that she comes back.
Before the committee and is compelled but you see now are growing.
Obviously among Republicans and some Democrats like Congressman Lynch you said if we don't if we don't continue.
We continue if he's not answers -- people are not gonna tell us where this started how far the culpability spread in -- out of the IRS.
Cincinnati are back in Washington lower lover a high level if we don't get answers and we have not gotten answers.
They're gonna have to find another way through a special prosecutor.
But you know -- the White House seems to be changing -- story almost daily having Percy said you know look nobody knew.
Except the White House counsel and the White House canceled he -- -- know the contest.
Now the chief of staff knew now the senior staff -- and they knew the contents and in fact they went so far as to actively consult with the IRS.
To conjure up -- strategy is how to how to deal with the fallout with the public.
Up -- put up on the screen a Fox News poll 66%.
Think that the White House the Obama administration knew or instigated.
-- what's the impact on the president.
What are you tonight.
I think there's a profound impact if you look at this sort of cumulative effect of all of these.
Scandals that the botched response to the -- Gaza attack.
The IRS scandal which I think is the worst one politically -- that of course the fishing expedition by the Department of Justice into.
Reporters from many different outlets trying to accuse them of have.
Of espionage and this is really gone we're very far and wide and this is -- scandal in and of itself so if you the three of them plus.
The fact that the Department of Health and Human Services is also now seeking private money.
To -- -- launch a PR campaign and the implementation of the president's health care law.
There's going to be a lot of oversight facing this administration this year -- -- but the -- scandal is now provoked this sort of democratic outrage as well as of Republicans that the Democrats can no longer protect the president and it doesn't matter if his chief of staff and his chief counsel.
Provided him with this and -- ability and never told him what matters is the response since that always got his one statement -- President Obama saying that he's asked for and accepted the resignation of Steve Miller.
-- -- still has her job we have mr.
Schulman testifying yesterday he basically didn't know what happened and he said he couldn't be involved.
With we can be responsible for 90000 employees everyone has their hands in the air no one know what happened.
People need answers and the Democrats are not going to defend the administration on them and that's why it's going to have such an effect on his ability to passes agenda.
Yeah ABM I'm almost out of time -- will have to make this quick but some are already talking about.
And some in congress including Mitch McConnell today saying that some in congress should defund.
Well this is a different quote.
For Mitch McConnell but some in congress are talking about defund -- the I arrests as the enforcement mechanism.
For Obama care do you think that's going anywhere.
I do there -- lot of problems on the horizon for the implementation of obamacare people are very nervous about it including the administration.
And I think there's a potential there for serious problems.
Once -- -- cross the IRS with with the implementation of the health care law AB Stoddard.
Thanks so much good to see thank you.
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