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He he obviously believes that it.
Investigations ought to be conducted properly -- rules and procedures ought to be followed.
And in general as I've said believes that the press needs to be -- significant freedom and doing its job and.
And that was white house Press Secretary Jay Carney and that he he was talking about there was President Obama.
And this is power play and high and Chris are.
And what -- -- -- -- there are broadening and more troubling allegations against the Department of Justice that they have been.
Overzealous over enthusiastic and over broad.
And there -- efforts to obtain records and resources of reporters.
So that's not good nobody likes that and Jay Carney though says the president supports a free press.
But isn't really gonna do anything right now is just going to let that.
Play out so we'll talk about that one.
We will talk also.
About what the president can try to do to get back on the good foot and start making some progress.
On his agenda if if he still -- if that's doable.
And we will talk also apparently -- looking around them so I can tell you is I forget.
-- we have a member of the same house committee that investigated that talked to.
Former and current IRS officials expect we'll talk to them about what's next who's going to be subpoenaed re subpoenaed etc.
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Jay Carney the White House and others in the fair DeRozan.
About -- this relates to.
Telling -- judge telling a magistrate judge.
That -- or is it not only might be a criminal co conspirator.
-- trying to get a story out of that North Korea but also might flee the country.
Rosen is not a flight risk that is I've seen him here today is he's not a flight risk.
-- Balancing test here between.
But about having what the president into a clinical and unfettered free press they seem to be missing them there there seems to be a balance problem right.
Seems like just sort of violated some guidelines that deal with media investigations and the -- general should be.
Quote for congress and asked what would be authorized and -- and why.
This -- -- you know it's all public -- our -- what -- with the investigation was secret.
Authorization to look at.
Jamie James grosans phone records -- it is a lot of records box and a lot of people -- with a look at the whole.
The countless other people placing -- -- So it's pretty amazing I didn't know I'm not a -- -- -- security -- I'm sympathetic to notion that the government should not make it easy for people.
It's our government to give out classified documents and so -- the -- server we didn't talk to me is appropriate sometimes of their -- she.
Few of the president's security ties that this is today it's really just -- over the line it would stretch from the rose but the Jay Carney -- -- -- It's -- the president believes the president twice assessment president believes.
That's about what presently -- I don't really care that he has good intentions he'd like to have the press that might have a good government should like to have a nice IRS I'd like that club sandwich exactly -- president is in charge that the president is responsible.
The president must be held accountable for the government over which he presides it was his IRS -- Treasury Department.
Desirous -- -- that was doing these things that they do it didn't stop.
-- it oversight of this major agency of the federal government and the thousand -- strong.
No they take pride in knowing nothing about what was going on -- you mentioned that your CEO of the company.
Does she stand as the scandal some -- below your -- I didn't know anything about that just to see out.
I -- really is a little shocking and I do think it shows an attitude towards.
Government which is so it's all about talk it's all about giving some speeches so -- taken credit for whatever good things other -- if you.
And total failure to take any real responsibility.
For what's happening in the government -- your supervisor.
Having 1953 says wow the vast army of government notes -- I -- in charge followed quickly by I know nothing.
And not my fault and that haven't done -- 53 here is that reflected on my group today.
I wrote it and if you follow me that's disarmament Twitter you can have it.
-- what I say is president talks about Smart government.
We're gonna have Smart government it's gonna use big data it's going to be cool style it's going to be all of this it's going to be very active and responsible and transparent.
But sooner or later we have to -- -- -- that it will not be album algorithmic.
Robots that are doing the governing it will have to be individuals like slowest -- and mr.
Schulman that we saw yesterday.
In displays that were so terrible that Democrats were up on their hind legs saying if you will start answering these questions is going to be independent counsel.
And Republicans need to make the substance of public policy board smarter government is on the hole and usually not the case on the whole usually smaller government.
Smaller streamline government with precise test clearly -- legislation.
The can be implemented -- -- fair and and equitable way.
That's the opposite of our.
Current tax code.
It's the IC -- speedway the IRS is now working and the worst thing in his right to Republicans on the -- really need to that's it would be to expand the scope.
Size and scope and authority and especially the iris what this legislation does that.
Obamacare that -- which is about to be implemented and what you really that I only got -- about this recently somehow pull obamacare they were so busy.
Criticizing the 25 other terrible things about obamacare -- some of us got to look at this I think it's unbelievable with the -- it is unbelievable and information.
They want you to provide so they can make sure that everything is going according to the way the central planners want to have health care allocated in the United States and here's -- trivial thing.
Apparently we're going to have to provide our employers and the -- of course there's -- -- employers.
-- -- -- -- -- But all of our outside income and -- spouse's income because they have to make sure that I guess -- not anymore and -- percent of totally over to the health insurance.
It's unprecedented yes -- -- what you get from your average trust funds there on the outside news Fox -- doesn't know when -- -- -- that it shouldn't know what can they take you wherever they pay you to do this job right over pay you but anyway they pay myself.
And you know they know that it's not -- and all of a sudden this huge.
Did expansion of government also employer's.
Right to know about what their employees outside activities of pursuits and incomes are.
The whole privacy issue is much greater than action I realized that obamacare they -- the precise issue the IRS I do think house Republicans say.
No given that what we now know about current IRS.
Can't trust it.
-- expanded to have this greater authority discussion so no IRS and implementation obamacare.
And by press trust -- of course means mobile meth lab.
When it comes to make isn't anyone listening yes we are I keep telling you we are.
Government of the people for the government and by the government.
-- -- -- three Q3 says without the leaks in Washington what they need is a few good plumbers bullets the -- plumbers who proved problematic than any.
Because when you give somebody a mandate bill that says.
Go stop these leaks by goodness we want no more leaks Obama has been trying to -- leaks to a greater degree than any of his predecessors.
And that's when people get -- do who will rid me of these.
Excellent reporter gestures to see the follow the paper trail the Justice Department.
-- interest in case and the eight pages and it just throws a pretty serious purposeful lawyers obviously.
They tend to send memos off when they want authorization do something I believe that just sort of got a city attorney general personally -- authorize this kind of investigation -- go to court to get these kinds of this kind of information in the eight PG ACC -- accused himself informally and let the deputy attorney general do it basically there's no paper.
-- of that and it really does kind of just dereliction of duty there I think by the attorney general it's a little shocking I was in government.
It's unheard of in any case in the -- in case.
I want to see we should ask -- -- -- -- -- before congress have a major general -- of the staff attorneys say what happened here who authorized one who made the decision to -- and yeah let's find out.
My -- wants -- -- -- new words you're allowed to leave.
Why you are no longer enamored of the candidates.
They they might take calls it an amnesty bill but.
In November immigration as ever -- ever but I was I was friendly here Jews so liberal immigration policy back in 20062007.
I've never looked at that I looked at this -- kind of -- obviously -- -- -- right.
End up -- we'll disposed of adjusting if you look at it as a piece of legislation is bad legislation whatever your alternate views on.
Citizenship vs legalization without citizenship but I think I've known more for legalization -- -- path to citizenship confidence is what.
-- actual bureaucracy this sets up the hurdles trigger is you know standards.
It's it's it is a in that respect like obamacare is big government piece of legislation I think they're much simpler ways to address the problems in our current immigration system.
Then this 850 piece of the page piece of legislation and I think to house Republicans to do a lot better than this gang of a -- Comprehensive.
Usually means incomprehensible.
It is you guys -- -- story and not good for the country there.
He is good for you and I hope you listen to and then we thank you for being -- -- -- okay Internet we're gonna take a quick break.
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-- Catherine Drew Miller she is in fact.
The chief White House counsel she is the official attorney to the president of the United States.
And this is powered by welcome back why do you care about -- Miller why they should matter.
She matters because she's part of a very small inner circle inside the Obama administration.
The Democrats are getting grouchy about that they say that is either not serving the president well.
As he tries to deal with Republican agitation over current scandals.
Or maybe just isn't up to the job there's a lot of grousing and you see in the New York Times Washington Post buzz feed other places people say it's time for team Obama at shake itself out.
And a lot of finger pointing at the counsel's office.
To help us it's ambiguity between.
What is the -- -- attendant to any controversy in Washington and reality.
Are to reality based individuals when the -- -- she is a democratic strategist and president of the -- strategy she is this as opposed to the dean of the house.
Democrat John Dingell of Michigan gentry -- Collins.
-- -- time periods because the former.
Political director of the Republican National Committee.
He is a Republican strategist and your firm it's Capitol Records cap public affairs my grandfather and respect.
OK so -- -- let's start with you the the fingers of recrimination.
Are out as people say well how -- the president.
Nobody told the president about the IRS thing and how come this and this is bad -- the the other thing.
And you start this this is typical that you see any time administration finds itself with difficulty.
But there are some questions being asked about insularity.
And there are some questions being asked about the strategy are these fair questions.
They aren't fair that we -- see this kind of situation you Republican -- democratic administration.
And you see this kind.
What happened behavior you do have to determine who it is that is accountable and I think -- he's tried step up to it.
What we're there I think he's got to ask questions in his own inner circle but we should keep -- -- outfit.
Think there probably were people that we're trying to protect him but didn't mean.
That somebody heard but this webcast they had to know that this is going to be huge political issue.
So how does that get dealt -- but I think Republicans and Democrats and Hiller setback what's happening in first week was a great week.
No we do is not been super stellar either.
-- getting better it's well they're -- they are improving.
Jay Carney let's let us go to -- you've had to communicate.
You can't communicate though if you don't know and we've seen this in the past in the Bush Administration.
You have -- below all of Scott McClellan oh.
-- -- -- But you you've seen others who have dealt with it differently Mike McCurry in the Clinton administration basically kept himself out of the loop and acted as an exquisite work to the administration rather than spokesman of their different ways to deal with this stuff but ultimately Jay Carney doesn't know what the council's office did.
And they don't tell him he can't tell the truth to the press.
Yes well look I don't think it's just about what happened in the counsel's office there are several scandals going on here and and I think the important thing is is not about Jay -- the important thing is that the president of the United States.
Sets the tone.
And the tone in this White House has been -- Chicago style politics and and and I think the American people are tired of that.
But whether there were illegalities or not -- who were operating on the court of public opinion I think that's -- fight is gonna lose and I think it puts the rest of his legislative agenda.
In jeopardy I mean look we're gonna we're gonna quickly be -- too deeply into mid term election season.
And then he's a lame duck president and and I think losing this that this battle not just on one of these scandals but on all of as having deep into the public perception and the public trust in this president.
-- depart from this administration is it is it is a real risk for him -- We can't let anybody just practically speaking getting nobody if I if on the Denis McDonough white -- -- -- staff nobody is leaving.
For a while even if you had planned to go let's say that Jay Carney had planned to leave.
Are you going no place though if they have to board up his office door he's got to stay -- things blow.
I didn't have.
I did it take offense at it rich capitalist -- politics because to me that just weeks of corruption in inside politics it's -- -- -- I think that everything has been handled well.
No do I think that there are issues to.
Who started -- -- -- got to get them out of it they've got to put policies in place -- nothing like this can never happen again.
But this president did -- I don't even agree with the -- that he came to this town is basically people out.
But -- Qaeda type politics he has -- very strong efforts to clean up.
Ethics issues -- I think to a point that people that would benefit being talked to but I'm not totally get -- wish I had.
I don't look -- I don't think that's the American people are sitting in the last couple weeks at embarrassing Chicago style politics and it's -- -- but it's true wait wait wait wait let us and dusted let's stop with the majority views of Chicago perhaps.
Yeah I think it may be on behalf.
Half of residents yeah.
We will you -- don't definitely don't call them Detroit's Belle -- because -- -- get really mad.
But as -- the substance into the substance of this but it definitely it definitely would be I was -- -- definitely ballot but the but the question is.
Whatever the president has done.
In terms of these things that -- described in terms of transparency that we went in transparency is different than account.
In terms of transparency and ethical and -- It does cut against that argument when you see corruption and.
-- now are absolutely which is why -- heat.
Look I'm not seeing that they handled everything perfectly but we in no longer have -- -- head of the IRS.
They -- pretty if they've got an investigation coming back in the next thirty days which I do believe that there are gonna get the answers to because I think that everybody in the White House gets.
How serious this is and what happened it.
JetBlue is directed that get that the processor to be put in place you can never happen again neither of us wants to see it I mean this we were -- using the word.
Would Obama ever go back to Nixon techniques out.
I I do believe the president did not know about this I do believe the president did not approve it.
And you gotta ask about what kind of culture let this happen and make sure it doesn't happen under any administration.
Right and today we'll hear -- the president talked about the creation of the office that deals with targeted drone strikes which has become a big big big big deal.
And everything the president talks in regard to that.
And everything else -- prevent -- future abuses were doing it right but we respect the fact that in the future bad things may happen.
Is they -- four -- -- team.
The opportunity here to -- but he's not paying attention what's going on now he's not argument now he -- keeps talking about preventing another -- guys are preventing another harass abuse or another -- -- another that.
You guys say what about now.
Well look he's been talking about the central time has been talking about since he was what it was a senator and then as a candidate in 2008 and during the first term.
But but I think with the American people -- -- -- is that he has not done that.
And and so look I think there's a there's a huge opportunity to walk through that work.
And and it's one that that Republicans will be walking through I think I think frankly the risk for our party it is that we can't just stop it -- we've got to also turn the -- -- party and say look.
It's not just that the other guys are wrong it's not just a bit governed poorly but but we've got to reassert ourselves that is in the sense of being able to say look our values are worth more than saying what's wrong with the other guy we've got to -- -- talking about.
How we lead the country to have -- to a better place and in the country's hungry for that leadership.
It -- hurts this country wants to see people work together to -- increase its preference.
But I agree agree on that -- gentry don't you think people's expectations so low now that the opinions of what people.
That Republicans and we have a vision for the future people have a vision for the future in which government is modestly functional and not.
Spying on them -- attacking them we're doing -- the the the removal of negative stimuli might be the first best course of action.
I didn't I I'm not suggesting Iraq and -- president I'm suggesting that we we ought to be going after the president and using that as well.
Opportunity drugs -- look we've got a better way.
You're actually using going into the prison two.
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Think is perfect okay and gentry you're perfect in your own.
And -- -- very very much.
All right Internet we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back one of the Republicans who serves on the house oversight committee will be with us and he will tell us what's what.
So stick around.
If we don't yet if this committee is prevented by obstruction -- bad refusal to win answer.
The questions that we need to get to the bottom of this.
Who will -- -- no alternative.
But to ask for the appointment of a special prosecute all our appointment of special counsel.
To get to the bottom of this.
This is a very serious matter.
So I hope that's not the approach of the I -- going -- but.
There will be hell to pay.
-- that's the -- but we chose to vote now.
And that's what the Democrat.
The leading Democrat on the house oversight committee had to say about the testimony of former IRS director Douglas -- And this is power play.
Now if that's what Stephen Lynch.
A no no conservative.
-- in testimony from mr.
showman and others and the need for potentially a special prosecutor.
I want to with Republicans might think about this.
Fortunately we have one.
Or at least a moment of his time -- congressman Michael Turner he's a Republican from Ohio hails from Dayton so -- congressman.
Thanks much for -- out of -- Of course of course so so I take it if if that is the reaction of the ranking Democrat.
On the oversight committee you Republicans were even more perturbed by -- you heard yes.
Well I think for a president what's his statements were incredibly compelling and they go right to the heart of this issue is that people want somebody held accountable.
The -- is narrative of this just spontaneously happened with in the IRS goes you very counter to what we know from the IG's report.
The groups were targeted to be targeted someone affirmatively stood up and said.
Do this and we need to find out who that is.
And AIG says that no crime was committed from the information that he is uncovered so far.
But the problem with that is -- there's no crime because the statutes that make this activity criminal.
Are very limited their plight of the White House they apply to the director of the other IRS commissioner of -- IRS.
I have a bill HR 1950 -- make a crime if anybody in the iris does this represented lunches is going to the issue love.
We still don't have an answer -- -- -- as -- who did this who was involved who directed it and who was complicit.
Who was complicit in big now.
There has been much said about -- Lerner.
-- who's still in charge of the office at the center of this controversy.
Invoking her Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination.
About whether she will be recalled to testify.
And whether her having made an opening statement she can be now compelled to testify.
You know it's amazing irony.
Need to have ms.
-- her constitutional rights to not tell us what her involvement was of the IRS's -- that was in systematically denying others.
There -- constitutional rights.
This is certainly summing up the committees -- to continue to pursue including pursuing -- Trying to get answers.
And the chairman has said that she'll be called back and -- will certainly look to see how that proceeds.
Okay all right so -- all options are on the table.
What about an independent counsel what about a special prosecutors time to get serious about that or is there more to play on the committee process.
I think that you know -- we have additional investigation that we have to do on the committee level and I think certainly.
It is but the the senate itself is.
It's going to be very active in that process but ultimately.
If no one is held accountable.
If as the IG currently says the evidence doesn't show that there has been any crime.
I believe the American public are going to want people held accountable they don't want to a full review as to whether or not crimes -- broken here.
I think when ms.
Lerner you in front of the American public gave merely an apology -- -- the IRS was systematically.
Targeting of the American public based upon their political beliefs of denying them their constitutional rights.
Figure -- their reaction was that's it's an apology is certainly somebody should be held accountable and they should be a crime.
Either passage of my bill that would make it certainly with all employees.
Crime but also looking to those who were in charge and who directed us.
If you were from the other Miami and the one in Ohio you would know him already but if you don't there is Michael Turner from the great state of Ohio we thank you congressman thank you.
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