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And general -- to deceive -- -- -- felt good to see you see you if you if you hearing -- general scales of -- hearing paper congress congress saying that this epidemic is a crisis.
You know just -- your reaction to what's going on the latest allegations and this epidemic and this crisis.
Yeah a couple points ourself first of all if you would have told me -- 1992.
And I -- lieutenants bars on my.
On my oldest daughter.
That twenty years later.
This situation -- still be around I probably would have called you a liar.
And this is even more upsetting to me and many of us who served in uniform is that.
The army in the past hasn't just followed social change but many ways -- led.
Social change I mean immigration in the army.
At the end of the Korean War when I went to -- fourth grade at Barton school of Fort Belvoir Virginia and 40% of the kids -- my class were black.
This is so the army has for the last 225 years been an engine of social change and the fact that this.
Is this culture.
Has existed for so long and hasn't.
-- you know ameliorated.
Through the army culture to me is first of all very disturbing and secondly.
Frankly not easily explainable or bill.
Edmonton I was going to ask you make questioning perhaps -- -- why is it.
That it -- the rank and file cannot accept women in the military.
Yeah wolf first of all in my opinion punitive measures of laws are really going to -- corrected.
This isn't a problem of regulation and oversight this is a command a problem a problem of command.
And the object is to as as.
A person previously said is to change the culture there's this.
Culture of male dominance where women are not completely.
Except that apparently today as buddies is as sort of you know.
A foxhole friends.
And this culture persists that this isn't an issue of weak laws it's a problem of command.
And the only way it's -- changes for the military to change its culture.
-- but you know as used as you said the military.
Has been accepting.
I think even with the Don't Ask Don't Tell that -- you know kind of fell by the wayside quickly out.
We we know this you know telling us anything we don't know we know that we believe -- we been our brother's side by side and we've been on the you know the front lines with that.
-- of gay Brothers and and so what we know that so let's right bond.
But at the end of the day they are men regardless with their sexual.
Right orientation is preference or that the color of their skin their men.
So is -- that because if you have that make up to and listen.
We of course applaud anyone men and women who go and fight for our country you.
So is certainly not a disparaging them I've remarked they're making your vote I'm just asking if if it's a testosterone -- that if it's at.
And psyche that you have to.
Cut had to get out there and fight.
That's for the women that don't have it but the men -- had -- for -- so -- did say that the much she's slowly perhaps that they haven't I don't know why it doesn't make sense.
To me yeah yeah I I advise you know -- Britons to profits in the Washington Post about this over the last year I've spoken little -- hundreds of my friends both.
Active and retired about it and ask them what you know what's the source of this lingering problem after.
What forty years of full integration of women and in the military and I get a hole.
Suite of answers number one is your point about this being a male dominated society number two.
Is the fact that women are not in that close combat arms by that I mean the infantry the cavalry in the armor.
And therefore are quote true warriors quote.
Even though women have been actively involved in combat since 1992.
My daughters -- our combat veterans it's just the perception is he out but you're not close combat veterans.
So so the that's another issue than any other thing.
-- to your point is is this is an issue sex.
Is that is that male dominance is a problem as others have said in our society as a whole and it.
To some extent bleeds over to military but that's not an excuse -- -- bottom line is this.
If this is that if this gets the right.
Focus as a command problem and if it's treated as a matter of discipline and cohesion.
If battle buddies are true battle buddies regardless of gender and the army buckles down all of this and focuses -- In the culture will change but to your point -- -- The -- not -- to change overnight my goodness we've been at this forty years and it doesn't seem to have moved all that much so it greatly concerns me greatly concerns many of my comrades.
Who are serving in the military and as a father of two daughters both of them served as officers it has lingering effects on them as well.
For illegal finally did wouldn't be these guys who -- there are committing these crimes the Wednesday where have been proven or the alleged to have think committing these crimes.
Are they not ostracized amongst your colleagues.
Yeah kinda depends.
If it's if it's something that's obviously -- and criminal of course there ostracized but that's not what we're talking about ourselves.
We're talking about who gets invited to the borrow Friday and I.
Who makes up of golf -- -- Who shows up go to war game at Fort Hood just as part of the crowd -- when they go out to dinner that night at -- who gets invited along.
All this is much more subtle than just who's to criminalist who's just the -- -- this is this is about.
Who's part of the band of Brothers.
Who do we embrace -- who we bring into our bring into our sort of you know -- inner circle where and that and that really really is the issue and until that changes -- become seamless I think sadly I think the problem will linger.
I think that's a sad situation for sure general scales always gonna talk to appreciate your time in in perspective this afternoon thank you very thank you -- -- --
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