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It's not a good day to be -- -- the IRS official at the center of the scandal has just been placed on administrative leave.
And that is not all congress may Holler back to testify.
Strip and -- Everyday there's -- -- news.
When the slowest -- offered that defense of her actions at the IRS some GOP lawmakers and their lawyers suggested she had waived her Fifth Amendment right.
House oversight chairman Darrell ice that is looking to bring her back to testify -- -- Lerner and other senior and former IRS official.
Refused to address questions they have previously misled.
Com after -- very careful consideration.
I decided my counsel's advice and not testify or answer any of the questions today.
She waved -- -- the Fifth Amendment privilege -- by issuing an opening statement -- stand here and answer our questions.
Somehow I doubt it because they have nothing of interest -- None.
Of the principles.
In any of these scandals know anything about what's going on.
Breaking news this hour slowest learner has been placed on administrative leave with head in this white -- The lights are -- But can beat anybody who are strongly believe -- she works for the American people she owes the American people an explanation.
And if she can't give that explanation she should be working for the American people.
Unless you're willing to do what jackpot or does you can't make people at all.
This is lawlessness and guerrilla warfare and this president's in the middle of it.
He created it and I think that this is just the beginning.
And news today it looks like a placed on paid administrative leave former speaker of the house Newt Gingrich trying to secessionists speaker -- to be -- okay.
This happened that the IRS targets different groups what's -- theory of why this happened.
Well there was a survey done back in 1991.
In which three out of four IRS agents told the people -- the survey they -- did the right to -- to congress.
What you have is gigantic government.
Largely populated by people were ideologically liberal look at the donation pattern of the IRS employees.
Who believe they are superior to the American people.
The we -- subjects and they're in charge -- the president who's a very weak administrator.
Great and oratory terrible management.
And you have a system run amok it's warm well Iran could cross the border it's one of market EPA.
-- run -- contrition wildlife that's run amok in the Department of the Interior the Toronto market in the in the Justice Department.
But from your normal American you go to work you pay your taxes first of all would when you love the idea you can put on your from your return Fifth Amendment.
I'm not going to be -- details of my income or my taxes -- pleading the fifth and second that if you do something wrong you -- called garrison said I'd like to apologize now.
But look let's have -- -- -- she's put on administrative leave with pay.
Now why is just a terrible punishment.
Well according to senator Grassley.
Tonight and one of my colleagues -- -- -- programs.
Is that the acting commissioner -- resigned and she did not so she's put on administrative and I just checked that's a civil service what to have less and I suspect that's the process I don't know that we don't it is the president can you can just fire her.
Frank it's a process which is why you have a congress which ought to fundamentally overhaul the whole system.
-- any evidence not just her how many different people now have their hands on having fundamentally violated the legitimacy of our tax system.
Every one of those people should be fired.
And the idea that the union represented who by the way met with President Obama.
The union represented for the IRS workers plays a major role in dealing with disciplinary problems.
This is just the opposite of responsible self government is this new.
Let me and so it goes so do we drop this in the lap of President Obama and say as you you say -- a week manager -- You can can he be blamed for personal item in fact I hope we don't blame -- -- says this is not an Obama scandal and it's a point.
Very brilliantly in a column in the bush imposed by a foreign policy expert who -- it was really frightening about the Ben Ghazi mass.
Is watching the bureaucracy.
As we all these emails we all these conversations what she's she's a level of incompetence.
In our national security system.
When you look at fast and furious in the Justice Department you -- a level of incompetence well.
Let me bring that elected congressman -- up fast and furious you talk about this is that.
All these areas the IRS or fast and -- there is congressional.
-- -- you know I tell me about congress and it is when there is some.
Huge event -- and then they come in and investigate.
Congress really does not -- I would not give us give them an a in oversight because we catch these things are a lot -- crickets and -- all.
So a failure of of I think imagination.
The civil service model we currently have dates back to the 1880s.
You know -- is a 130.
Years old and it's broken it's broken every department the federal government.
Now the now includes Canada now.
What -- should be introducing is.
You know and small are manageable government act.
That would start with eliminating all this massive security these people are breaking the law of willfully breaking the law.
Arrogantly maybe if you watch attorney general you -- today testifying that congress give the arrogance you'd expect.
You know from a dual -- and early in the aristocratic hero if he did not have the attitude of -- public service.
The president says that he didn't learn about this and to about last week -- newspaper reports is that.
Is that a promise that -- that image is that it was it was the White House counsel in the -- and everybody else who apparently did know about it where they write in not telling him.
Well first of all of.
Let's -- -- just a second event does -- what I saw one reference this week.
Then you're an attorney and I'm not -- that the White House counsel.
In October said we had better slow -- what we're saying because of the legal implications.
He has had somebody ten go to congress and say my Laura Miller told me -- better plead the fifth.
Because of the legal implications.
I think these folks -- -- so much trouble and so many fronts.
And what I was you know what always happens in Washington is.
The coverup is worse -- the left hand these they have been lying to the congress on on every single one of these fronts they've been -- It -- but there are consequences and if indeed you're right that they airline and I have to either some funny things said and -- and it as speaker Boehner said drip drip drip drip -- I don't know why -- yes -- emails last November they -- national security you don't get them for six months when he finally get them -- certainly are not -- national security they should have been classified me.
That happens -- -- and drip drip drip drip drip and I think it's hidden by class by national security classification.
Well what the country should demand is very dramatic overhaul don't focus on one or two people don't focus on President Obama understand.
This is a system a big government run -- it is very dangerous to your life I mean the idea that the IRS is gonna manage your health care.
That they're gonna have a the ability to have insight and all of your records.
You believe them and that that brings another issue because one of the women whose name is is been brought up in this targeting.
Conservative groups and Tea Party groups is a woman who's going to close at the IRS is going to be handling the obamacare.
-- I think they should move a congressman Tom price is bill that would strip everything you all who volunteer out of the IRS.
I suspect -- pass the house and a huge margin.
And I -- passed the senate because there are fourteen Democrats from states Mitt Romney carried and they can't vote to defend the IRS and go home and get reelected.
Why -- women and just and then you weren't there so you probably.
You know put anything in the IRS like Obama care if you're trying to impress the American people to put it in one of the most hated the organization's long before the scandal that was a stupid -- began -- I think I think if you are the True Blue liberal.
You believe in government.
-- -- -- nobody's and we look I don't care liberal or Democrat Ellen likes said Dodd that you know than the notice from the IRS it -- auditing him.
-- I'm just reporting I think there's an Intel and remember their defensive obamacare was there was tax policy.
So it's a little tricky for them to say to the Supreme Court this is really tax policy was not going to be in the IRS part of their defense was that it was in the IRS.
That was part of just chief Justice Roberts decisions that it was constitutional.
Was there was tax policy.
What what session.
What should chairman ice -- issued -- recall slowest learner backed I would I would recall her.
And I would make her sit there and I would answer every question and I would allow her to say 600 times why.
Because the country needs to watch the senior civil servant arrogantly say to -- I believe I may be so criminally vulnerable.
But I'm not gonna tell you -- thing.
And then bring the other ones and from Cincinnati and remembering and the woman who's currently at they.
For the Obama care section who is really part of the original gang and bring in the people who apparently in Washington -- coordinating.
Again this also keeps coming out.
The more you learn the bigger it's gonna get the more people who are though because I would also bring in every group that was -- of the -- cheated.
And have every single group testified go through days of people saying we did this and this is what happened to us and then -- -- -- the end of that.
Oh I think I think they should strip obamacare out of the IRS I think they should dramatically shrink the IRS and I think we need to frankly.
Fundamentally repeal the civil service laws and go to a manageable government -- when somebody is as bad as these people even -- And it who have spent -- is that a problem for the president beyond -- it's a distraction is at a some are serious problem it's a shift from a couple levels one is.
What did what was the conversation 10 o'clock and -- between he and Secretary Clinton.
What did they discuss what did he know.
Give back to Howard -- -- question.
What did he know and when did he not deliberate processes is the innocent mr.
-- does that tell you yeah.
The second thing is when when the -- -- spokesperson for the State Department says among the conversations.
The leadership of my building.
His very unhappy with this analysis.
-- -- great clintonian questions what did the -- -- building mean I think in my State Department.
And what does leadership mean I think it -- Secretary Clinton.
So to -- Clemens -- called back in the sake you that.
We are told by your -- for persons.
That you were unhappy with us what is -- you were unhappy with.
And why did you not tell us that in fact you put pressure on the intelligence community to change what they're done.
And so the end point to this -- I saw -- point is I think is as is David Ignatius said in his column last week.
To realize how really badly bureaucratic.
And incompetent our national security apparatus now -- -- and again overall -- Cut through all this stuff.
It's not about chasing this week stupidity about trying to learn what we have to do to get to a smaller leaner more effective more accountable government.
That's happened happened.
Costs -- much -- -- annual Latin hanging librarians have enormous capacity to change I rented a video look at Washington amid sinking -- in any sort of blend into all of a huge waste and everything else trying to -- what I look at this nightmare I don't think guys like -- skywalker and John -- shaken by the engine though and -- if there are a lot of state capitals.
We -- seeing real reform and real change and that gives me hope.
That someday we can do it in Washington let me turn to -- a little bit closer to home -- James Rosen had his email -- You shake your head -- well -- everyone should allow.
Roger Ailes gets lucky on -- grand scale.
-- -- -- Had the president -- states' target fox attack fox design a system to discredit fox.
Not allow people to show up on -- all these different things because you decided that this was a conservative channel and he was gonna make sure didn't matter.
And now you find out at a level that is grotesque.
That the Justice Department was targeting a reporter -- -- when even the New York Times.
Writes an editorial defending Fox News.
You know that -- -- one of those amazing moments in history.
And and I think that everybody who's involved ought to feel that fox has been pretty solidly limited these guys apparently.
-- -- But to wiretapping his mother and father.
Now how do you just a phone records I think just at Colorado getting phone call records -- -- mother and father now while the point is.
First of all going after reporters even the president today said -- we don't want to make it a criminal for reporters to do their job.
Well he about a fire the attorney general because the attorney general sure as heck has been consistently going after reporters.
And I think that here we have is a remarkable vindication of Fox News.
Because you had somebody doing their job apparently doing it well enough to rattle the national security apparatus.
And somebody who was literally doing exactly what -- good reporters should do Conan nonpartisan basis is -- not a political story this is a national security story.
And I think the mister Rosen out of take some real.
Comfort in the fact that he becomes a symbol of what American journalism is all about.
-- to show that pulled a couple of went back to October of 2009.
CNN Howard Kurtz October 11 and Anita Dunn was not.
And -- -- time enough oxygen she said to -- of is that Fox News often operates almost as either the research arm by the communications arm of the Republican Party.
Which you know let me go back and find the Obama administration is -- and unhappy.
With Fox News and you know even exclude us from a State Department conference call on Ben Ghazi.
Excluding -- from a CIA briefing on Ben -- so this is this is not something you know -- -- that you're surprised and I think Trent.
Everybody at five -- be pretty vindicated.
That you now seeing the level of hostility which is unconstitutional.
And I suspected illegal.
There should be a certain pride.
And having Rosen is one of the team here because he did exactly what he should have done.
And he -- he'll become a symbol of freedom of the press in this process especially say the other news organizations.
So you know coming out -- -- talking about why I think everybody across the system and every single network and in every major newspaper realizes that.
When you start having criminal potential proceedings.
And you start having secret gathering up for the information against reporters.
You really crossed the line of the First Amendment and you threaten every single news gathering organization America.
And -- frankly delighted that people who may be deep ideological opponents of fox have come back again and and and I would hope.
That the entire team from from males on down would feel a real sense of pride that.
This became a First Amendment fight and that nobody allowed fox become isolated but just think it accepted with him.