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-- raise these issues with the attorney general who shares my concern so he's agreed to.
Department of Justice guidelines governing investigations that involved reporters.
And he'll convene a group of media organizations to hear their concerns as part of that review and I've directed the attorney general to report back to me by July 12.
-- was President Obama suggesting that attorney general Eric Holder give a long hard think.
About whether it's appropriate to target journalists for the leaks that occur from inside the government.
Up to and including the now most infamous one in which our -- James Rosen.
Was named as a possible criminal co conspirator for trying to get somebody the State Department be leaky.
And this is power play and high and -- -- and who better perhaps too investigate Eric Holder Justice Department Eric Holder he knows it very well after all.
And in fact is NBC news is reporting.
He himself signed off on the warrant.
That was used against mr.
Rosen and is now causing all manner of consternation.
For the administration.
We will talk about that we will talk also about of course we'll talk about the IRS slowest -- we hardly -- G.
I suspect we get a chance to know you more.
In the weeks to come -- Darrell -- at all.
But we will do that and as a special Memorial Day treat for you we will take a look at an organization that's doing some pretty remarkable work when it comes to wounded -- -- We will do all of that with the patriotic -- -- and good cheer.
But I know that that is possible because Meredith Meredith shiner of roll call is in full possession of both of those attributes right now.
Thank you for having me and the Internet yes and yeah and you can't love love America okay good about America passing goes up really a -- -- -- -- Let's and you said we always get hit too it's entirely up to them here let's -- you're not even in Texas tonight -- -- nobody although sometimes when I'm really put -- people aren't they try to tell them an appearance unfortunately am just suburban Chicago that process it's never works that maybe -- -- -- -- maybe -- -- -- appreciative.
OK so we're gonna.
The question is.
The president is doing what looks like a slow play on this Department of Justice stuff.
Where instead of coming out and say we're going.
To be all over this and do whatever he's using measured tones he started out.
Focusing on national security we've heard this speech National Defense University -- who -- yesterday afternoon.
Yes now he wants answers but he wants them he he is moving delicately.
Is this a good strategy for him.
I was thinking about all of this in context because I can't remember we can foreigners -- been here we've talked more about the administration's bounds and national security issues and -- quite frankly this is a topic we talk about a lot more in the Bush Administration this week you've had this confluence of issues.
Weather is the president's speech yesterday the news even before that that we use drones killed four American citizens.
Leaks -- if you want to call it that the acquisition of phone records of Associated Press reporters what happens James Rosen Fox News his parents.
And so it always the question of what are the bounds of what the administration can do.
In the pursuit of information regarding our national security and -- want to take -- back but let's flashback to last summer.
When we had a series of stories in the New York Times about the drug program about using cyber attacks in Iran.
And -- rang in the New York Times and just lose it there is a huge bipartisan uproar in congress but they were Republicans especially works -- About these weeks because I remember John McCain going on floor.
-- -- talking about earlier but he was going on the floor and saying that this administration was shameful because they were using these leaks.
In order to politically was the president heading into an election -- you had a lot of Republican consternation.
Coalescing around that talking point -- Diane Feinstein who's the chairman of the times committee.
Was really upset that she was informed about these things and learned.
About it in the New York Times.
And so all of that anger and another man I remember -- yeah there's -- as well as it is.
Of wanting the administration you more wanting Eric Holder to do more thinking that the department Justin who wouldn't go far enough and you need.
Aired a special counsel I know there -- here Meredith yes now we're here where we're here now look.
Democrats -- -- to take the other issue Democrats in congress that the abuse of the internal revenue code as it relates to non profit organizations this outrageous people should look into this and find out what's going on they should find out what's going -- Well.
Wind -- what the irises or rogue agents inside the agency win after these groups for special targeting.
Do we blame then.
Patrick Leahy and others who who called for tighter scrutiny -- -- his fault that the IRS -- I.
That I think we -- incompetence mostly.
And -- and I don't know don't necessarily know and I would ask if -- such topics -- due to finish this week's.
-- -- I think in the universe.
Congress runs his jaws that's what it does congress exists does -- its -- I think it's problematic that the functions of Associated Press reporters have been obtained I think it's problematic.
And relentless person goes in and out of the State Department building that they're being track -- -- anything that.
They're they are compared to being a spy master working and operatives were saying -- -- sweet nothings really -- here.
To resist this is a problem for the administration I think -- problem for the president who basically said yesterday that we've had that we have this inflection point now in the war on terror.
And we need to change our approach when he.
You're also doing all of these things so it's confusing to me where they want to be on these issues.
Let me not in trouble is a gas station I -- I would I would like to not be -- I think that there's and I think if there's a lot of pressure particularly for a democratic presidential strong national security issues.
But it's entirely possible that in the -- of doing that they went too far.
And as a reporter it's a little bit concerning how to maintain my phone records -- my -- now they would find a whole lot of the an interesting jokes about really really mediocre athletes.
But that aside I don't know really Powell I don't know what their way out of offices this particular if you are under ravens fan and I know I'm -- I'm a bears handle their attention I know there -- more quarterbacks in my lifetime.
And then like it's a process anything basically but the IRS thing is actually more interesting -- -- I think that there is.
A legitimate policy question about.
What kind of organization should get tax exempt status and you'll get 2012.
There were more conservative groups that got approved for that status and there were progressive left groups that are pretty accurately it that there is it.
There is because there were more of them are sure but let's let's go let's say and -- has ever part of the -- which is this.
Will this as a strategy.
This stratagem from the president in which -- -- I'm gonna have the attorney general in and inspect himself.
And his agency.
And he's -- -- -- -- on the twelfth of July with the answers on this in talking to reporters around town.
There is did you say.
That gets to alarm that gets to some anger when you're dealing with stuff like this.
Is this a workable strategy for them to -- will get back here in mid July and Eric Holder will report -- himself.
I think it's and the latter rather than saying it that it becomes -- we didn't do anything wrong we.
Funny thing then they're gonna they're gonna have raised more questions but I think the real problem with the story that involves reporters -- the reporters are inherently self interest of people.
And let me that I haven't seen I haven't seen not much anger in the press briefing room.
About anything in it in months but now that involves reporters.
You have all these reporters who are suddenly so much and more interest and it's like.
They had circuits -- got booted out of their programs in the middle of America because sequestration it's funny that -- they're not sitting in the press briefing room yelling at Jay Carney every.
-- that would be intersect if they do I really yeah it is an -- I appreciate your question right well I've got injured question.
-- -- three Q3 says if you think about it if it wasn't for the press nobody in Washington.
Would know what's going on and nearly dead even -- and bear and barely -- Let's see isn't anyone listening and you have to change your handle I -- I'm here I'm listening.
The president said if he can not get involved in the DOJ investigating such snooping on -- reporters doing their job but he can't tell the DOJ.
Which lost to of course -- not to enforce IE.
Goma returning illegal immigrants etc.
now the difference here is of course the the attorney general's office must act with greater autonomy than any of the other branches because it is criminal investigations and they have these things it is.
Over that over the course of history.
Then used and abused quite a lot because it creates this cloak of secrecy.
Famously in the next administration.
The the going through and firing the midnight massacre at the Department of Justice this is traditionally been -- thing.
But it also creates an obstacle when you're trying to remedy a problem as in this case that it it does create a blockage but it provides little.
-- plausible to liability for the president.
In the spirit of full disclosure this is the utilization.
-- I've ever covered so I really don't have that much apparently.
They didn't do this before and if George W.
Bush would -- on this.
They would have it is if you think that Jay Carney is having a bad day Dana Perino would have been hanging from a yard -- -- the navy are so it would have there's no way.
That that would that this would have flown.
Under the Bush Administration the anger that you're seeing now within fifty -- I think good and where it appears to be Mozart to me is what happened -- -- mean we're chatting about this earlier I think that if the news had been released -- four error.
Three by mistake yeah right like for American citizens have been killed by drone attacks -- -- that was just like.
Something to Eric Holder announced one -- -- or -- you know let -- -- London.
-- Republican attorney general cannot announced I think.
It's a -- would be really upset about I think that Democrats are between a rock and a hard place sitting the president.
Laid out all of these things that in theory he would like to do lots of being really -- pushy about it.
That was and as as as we've saved -- that's some stuff people say we.
Five years ago he sent me yeah that's bad I'm saying is that those immediately think you did and then you get John McCain -- John McCain's -- and he comes out it.
Meredith you may not be from Texas which definitely America we thank you kind -- you for having me this on this idea I don't know democratic duty regular and you've you've helped the Internet America a little bit more okay Internet.
Prepared to love America even more stealth because when we come back we'll have a panel.
A couple of your favorites as we continue with this all female.
Power play addition.
And we will talk about you have an act that's what one.
-- -- -- Who will come back we'll talk about how what's going on with the IRS and that scandal.
And its implications on the president's 2000 and -- -- do we come back sister correct.
That is what it looks like when you have be really really terrible day testify in front of congress you not only have to flee the room with an age issue down the hall into the elevator.
And make you look like you have been charged with some hideous crime.
And this is power play and that woman -- -- Is not on her job she's getting pages unpaid leave and yes I know for -- should be fired she edited it civil service it doesn't happen OK so get it.
But this is the equivalent of keel hauling in the world of civil service to send somebody home in place -- administrative leave.
Is a big deal and it's it's that are etc.
The scandal at the IRS and I know Democrats say it's not -- -- in the what's the profile Fuller whatever they wanna say but it's -- -- scandalous.
What's going on there actually has implications for the president's health law in the implementation.
There -- of so what about that as ladies' night continues on power play.
Two of your favorite site here in Washington is no comment today she is.
-- -- human for the American action forum.
-- in sound fiscal policy is that fair SA act yes yes yes it's quite so.
Also quite sound is -- emergency room.
-- -- -- -- she is a former communications director for -- was accused Fox News contributor she's Democrat and she also loves America even in New York Julie hi.
Hi you know I love about you guys -- in DC you -- you guys think that being hip.
Is talking excellent service rules I love that if updates here from the.
-- -- Do you know you know how can -- ahead.
You know I I know makes it Memorial Day weekend my friend looking at the -- -- service code -- figuring out.
How to -- ever.
It's it's hot ticket -- -- -- -- -- necktie I'm not -- -- out of control down there in the district.
All right Julie so Republicans today.
That this illustrates why the IRS which is asked under the president's health law with the enforcement of the law.
Is not a suitable.
Means for implementation.
What's the counter to that.
We'll countered that is that my friends.
Obamacare is here -- -- and if you want to get your tax -- to be able to afford health care then fire up the loans and have to give it to you when.
If you're saying the IRS can handle its basic functions that I guess we should all just not care taxes and then you know to shut the whole thing down but.
Look what happened -- I.
I don't let's not let's look at -- al-Qaeda yes you Greg you raised an intriguing.
No but -- look at the bottom line is -- you you've got live with the fact that obamacare is here to stay you can't -- a bad weather.
That's been happening all over the country it's obamacare you know -- -- a bad mood today that's not Obama carries all of either.
It's this it the -- it is it is what it is here to stay and you can take a scandal which this really is a scandal they're targeting Tea Party groups.
But can't -- that -- Obama Karen that's really a non sequitur that people such as best.
I don't know local that is going to prove you look right now let's go ahead -- -- -- Well I would agree actually that.
Guys had to stay but I don't think that we have to necessarily live with it the way that it is.
I think that it's gonna need to be reformed its gonna need to be fixed all along the way what we do that proactively or actively I'm not really sure yet.
Not that I think that this -- scandal is definitely raising some plaques on top of that it's that the IRS has to do that I -- that nobody else can do it right.
-- -- -- -- -- plan for how to okay.
That Al hunt how to -- it and now -- a different do you think that if it's gonna it's gonna need to happen we've already seen.
It's a tremendous government overreaching as as Michael -- and watched him close date and time exactly the last time to be.
And dean all that much more power over to the IRS in order to.
Implement a lot of people already this.
-- -- -- actually let's face -- the IRS does creep people out right.
Well I think if I hit it by gonna knock on the door from an IRS agent I'd be -- Dahlia I don't.
Right right right plus.
I will say that if I were a person that could afford to buy health care and I wanted to look for a tax rates do that the people that would give that to me is the IRS.
I also very happy to get a tax treatment from them -- -- always picked up by them just.
-- April 15 I think I was -- The right Winger I do and admit that but you know that I find out whether -- have to pay in him.
Fifty this year -- IRS and our friends I don't know about next year.
OK for the right in.
But it didn't expect it but in terms of the as there's no points out.
The public perception of this -- things.
And people don't like it and they think that it was poorly constructed.
Even it had -- whether it's the law the -- stands -- not attaching the the IRS to this and as the IRS becomes more intimately involved in the law it is not going to cause people to feel.
Of the well here's what I would say about this we had a whole -- -- election about the plot.
And then -- me it's still a lot of land in the Republican that voted I think for the 37 time to repeal -- -- -- yet to fill the lava lamp so.
It is what it is I mean we have to live with it you might not like it but it's here to stay there's a lot of locked out there at the black people don't like but -- -- -- -- -- that's what the majority of the congress and the president.
Voted in -- Simon's -- And you don't let it get the White House back and then try to repeal it but I think it's far too late for that and -- American people clearly.
Don't want to repeal -- girls they -- had met Ronnie president Mitt Romney an officer now.
Now that would hold that's not staying.
Yeah it was a very good at running for president well let me then -- have and the Republicans have found somebody better but regardless.
They should have a foot right to left but the reality of obamacare is here to stay and then dragging the IRS scandal into AA you know but what -- -- -- -- -- -- -- talk show them.
No no well -- house Republicans are talking about the possibility.
Of carving the IRS out of this sucker that they're did.
There there is anxious about this because any -- they bring you go about health the health -- to the floor it's gonna get amended it to fear the well also that it it's not a passable vehicle in the senate but it somehow the house could produce.
A bill that said no IRS enforcement of the health club that would at least be a problematic vote in the senate.
Absolutely yes the entire scandals raised huge flags on on both sides of the aisle and there's -- You know a lot of questions about the health costs I think that if they were able to successfully do that but I would.
Definitely be something that the senate would have to think long and hard about how -- move forward with it.
And felt so I was not fully implemented yet so Americans don't know necessarily -- it's -- -- -- so -- they may not think it's gonna have spent much of an impact that they're gonna see more and more over the course of this year and next.
Outside of the comes fully implemented counters of it is and that -- That's gonna continue to bring -- concerns about it.
These women they love America in different ways and in different places but very much -- well we thank you Julie we thank you thank you.
You do this -- okay we're gonna take a quick break but when we come back about this.
There isn't a neat program that you really gonna want to know about that helps wounded veterans.
-- get -- and and get back in the swing of things it's.
Some pretty remarkable -- so I hope you'll stick around.
States Marine Corps band.
Correct me but I believe that that stars -- right.
But I'm that you and I trust the Internet to correctly or perhaps I will be corrected.
-- -- the group she is the president and founder.
Of operations second chance cynical.
You know what's on that was.
That was the Marine Corps that was definitely the Marine Corps band but do you know whether that -- -- -- -- -- -- was it stars and stripes forever and that your.
Okay Aaron we're -- with that to you guys correct that's all right city.
Here's the question.
Tell us about the great work for organizations to.
Well -- second chance as a local nonprofit organization medicis injured soldiers and Marines coming back from the war.
-- at Walter Reed and I visit the injured soldiers and Marines sent several days weeks and try to provide assistance to them in the way of mortgage payments financial.
Assistance rent utilities groceries.
-- get them out of the hospital as much as possible.
So -- so the idea is.
In that transitional phase to get them out of the hospital and -- -- into the mainstream of life and you you guys are there to provide that cushion and that support in between.
Yes we -- -- -- -- medically retire and transition back to their home states.
That give us an idea of the scope how many folks to be helped or didn't give us some idea of the scale that you guys -- -- We assist approximately 200 to 250 soldiers and Marines every year.
We've been able to provide one point three million dollars in assistance since I started I'm going to visit and 2004.
And this is -- and and what's important about this and this is why this is a program to pay attention to this is not abstract.
This is real direct aid to people in the moment that they needed to pay the bill to get the mortgage payment made to to really get going because for often times.
And imagine this -- and infantry -- -- And you and that's all you've got you need that cushion to try to get established in civilian life right.
Exactly and once you do medically retire you can -- 3060 and even ninety days without a paycheck so now that they're painfully learned housing and and utilities it's it's up to us do our jobs take care of them and -- second chance for transiting the best stuff we can I do get involved.
My friend of mine until -- wrapped in 2004 and I started reading about guys -- -- were injured including Walter Reed.
So I got the -- -- the web site of the strength of the gate website and I really started visiting them and here I am nine years later and it this is definitely a labor of love and I feel very blessed to be able to serve those -- -- -- and such a great capacity.
If somebody followed you on Twitter would they be able to interact with your organization and make a contribution yes -- Via Twitter Linkedin and FaceBook we have been injured soldier's wife then also does all of -- social media.
So if I were -- Internet and I'm not leaving a club my own Twitter connect -- if you're gonna follow anybody on Twitter you should be following -- second chance OP.
Second chance one -- you should just do that.
Get there in Iraq because this is a way that you can provide like I said this is not abstraction.
This is the real material help that people need to bridge the gap -- people who were prepared to lay down their lives for us.
To prepare them to re -- civilian life.
And do so with the fewest disadvantages that are possible this is a way for you to actually provide that material help.
So if you're gonna do anything today before you go have.
A bunch of beer and -- worse.
That you go on the Twitter admit you follow -- second chance you think that sounds like a good idea I think that's great and I think it's a good idea I think it's something that they could do and I want to thank you very much for.
What you do and I love it when I see people instead of waiting for somebody tell them what to do.
Take the take matter into -- -- their -- it it's great that thank you parents okay have a great week.
All right Internet and other Jonathan Hunt is up next that's true.
But before we do that.
There's something I would like you -- think about and so let's have some points.
And today's power points are no greater love for in this case greater love.
And here you see the graves at the Arlington national cemetery.
Of men and women who willingly gave their lives in defense of this country.
And remember every freedom and every liberty that we enjoy.
Was obtained as a result of the use of arms going back to Concord in case on and everything in between.
That's how it happened and that's how it happened through the people the men and women who -- there in Arlington national cemetery and military cemeteries around this country.
That's what this weekend's about and that's what's going.
And so we remember and if you're gonna take one thing three this weekend I read the book somewhere in the book I think John 1513.
Greater love hath no man than this that a man lay down his life for his friends that's the truth than they did it for you.
So have a great Memorial Day weekend and now as we like to do every day we normally -- the work from our French -- It's.
I think what we're gonna have his home -- on the -- He should be so he should be under oath and he should activities and perhaps just say like the secretary of state I don't -- -- the stuff I signed that's not going to be easy to do.
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