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People are asking what should be done with slowest -- the head of the IRS unit that we now learn targeted Tea Party groups other conservative groups Hebrew religious groups apparently.
Though she's not leaving without a fight.
She was suspended with pay -- salary that comes in about a 170000.
Dollars a year plus bonuses.
After she reportedly refused requests from her bosses to stepped down.
Can testify either.
Julie were against -- former senior political advisor to senator Frank Lautenberg -- And Tony -- president of talk radio news service both Fox News contributors hey guys great to see you -- -- how are you.
Tony what's next.
Well look I hardly think we see moments of such consensus in Washington you have.
A Tea Party conservative like Rand Paul you have a liberal senator like Carl Levin from Michigan.
And yet the maverick like John McCain all saying the -- -- lost confidence in -- learner and at the very least she should be suspended without pay we know incompetence.
At the very minimum occurred under her watch and -- apartment that she was supposed to supervise.
Obviously there's even allegations of potential criminality that's going to be part of all that investigation that she's now no longer part of she plead the fifth.
But nonetheless she should not be compensated by the American taxpayer.
For such gross mismanagement of her division in the IRS Julie this is how it works this is a lot assistant protocol this is how works is not the only one that's at you know it reminds me -- rubber rooms would teach.
Ours that's right and you know so -- right I don't have confidence in her certainly.
She presided over this division that ballot counts does it come an appropriate by the need to describe what they did.
But you know the problem is that after Watergate -- -- it's not the problem but the situation is that after Watergate.
The politicians really have no control anymore over.
The bureaucracy at the IRS that Barack Obama has fired its top two political guys -- really can't do anything about -- -- nobody can.
Unless he proved that she had some sort of gross mismanagement or job but that's a process that needs to be proven adjudicated and and until that happens.
She would is really not much we can do about it we can all stop her feet and and wish you were gone but I think the problem is that there's really not much that we can do.
But Tony vet her her supervisor.
Asked for her resignation.
Well she's not compelled to take it unfortunately and that's what we're in the midst of seeing if she were somebody who.
I think -- degree of integrity or ethics she would resign -- again at the very at least.
Agree not to take pay while there is an investigation or at even the very least agree to be an active participant.
In these hearings the government has the congress rather has this oversight role now she's saying I did nothing wrong well then were you hiding.
By invoking your Fifth Amendment privilege and unlike most scandals -- controversies it's not a matter of.
Did something wrong happened or what actually wrong happened we know what happened we know if that happened.
We don't even know why and how it happened and she's preventing that from becoming.
Part of the public record I don't I don't wanna get too specific about the case because I really wondering what the impact is on the IRS and really the administration -- some people will -- the two together but chilly there is case law.
That provides that if you first say you did nothing wrong.
And then you later claim the fifth.
You can't get it while you're at its earnings by the argue you've got -- -- life.
You know standing there to argue with you at all but I will say this you know I -- Tony well so -- -- -- -- but -- -- -- -- do you really -- attorney Tony Tony -- wanna -- -- has conceded that not as part of I join us I won't say that you know I I don't while some.
He for taking their fifth amendment rights it is -- right we do have a presumption of innocence and certainly not taking -- -- side in this.
But -- -- a larger scale you know from from a completely sort of larger picture scenario here.
I'm not an accuse somebody taking it for -- to taking their first fifth amendment rights because that's their constitutional was right and it's she's allowed to do that.
And if not for us to -- judge for guilt phase in her first or Fifth Amendment that.
Let Tony jump -- at a 170 K a year.
When it's been proven that you were part of that quote unquote targeting seems to be the word both.
Sides of the island most Americans would use in this case.
-- had a 170000 dollars a year that -- -- number of families right -- -- a 100000 employees are -- today because sequestration.
Many in the IRS I'm sure that we could somehow work.
In this learn her into that provision right now because she doesn't certainly deserve to have this compensation and look we're talking about constitutional rights -- -- gonna plead the fifth.
But she was spearheading the organization the division in the IRS that prevented the Americans who want to actively participate in their democracy.
From exercising their own first amendment rights and this is where it becomes a very complex case if this happened.
Deliberately we know for political criteria was the only -- these were all conservative Tea Party groups that were scrutinized by her division.
But -- politics somehow was the motivating factor and can be proven she knows she's in trouble that's why she's.
I do what it back up on one thing real quickly where nobody nobody denied these people their rates in the sense that nobody denied that ability to operate in fact not one group is ever denied by the IRS they're built -- -- -- -- -- five I once before.
This is not the dividend on them I'm sorry they didn't approve their status that he did not immediately -- them their status does not need to be approved they can legally operate entire -- can only disprove their status -- -- need to until the IRS go after them when it comes we're -- we're -- -- -- the larger picture there is no excuse for what they did but I will say just that small point nobody was prevented from operating -- based on what she did and it.
That I've decided she should not be there anymore I agree with you -- -- -- that.
Let me I want to ask you real -- -- you say she should go yes Tony absolutely.
-- it's apparently it's not that easy.
Now Natalie thanks guys -- yeah I don't know -- have a have a super weekend.
Civil servants are not like everybody else they've got all kinds of protections and higher up they go -- the -- the more directions again maybe we should take that test.
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