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And welcome back we'll -- Obama administration has indicted six federal employees for leaking classified information that's more than any other administration.
So is this White House unfairly targeting those who spill it secrets secrets that could hurt them politically joining us now -- -- security -- Mark -- really one of the people at the center of this knows more about than anyone I know.
But -- -- my administration leaks an awful lot of material itself in some cases classified material and yet there's very punitive about people who do it against their interest why.
-- well same Clinton administration Bush Administration go back to Washington's administration.
What's different is not that -- against whistle blowers there against weaker us all the administrations are what's changed in the last few years.
Is the Justice Department has been able to obtain evidence against the -- -- Look if anyone's leaking classified information that should be investigated that should be punished my clients are Covert CIA operatives around the world.
A leak could kill them or kill an agent that we use an -- -- that.
But the notion is with the whistle blowers is that there's no mechanism.
Approach that works effectively or -- legitimately or meaningfully.
That allows whistle blowers to go inside their agencies -- to congress to say look I have a concern.
About waste fraud and abuse or something the government did that's illegal.
When you work with me on -- -- the people don't wake up and go on Libya whistle -- this morning I'm gonna leak classified information there's a process they go through it usually.
So frustrating that they just quit and -- the go to the media what's changed since the 1970s you make the point that this is -- Woodward and Bernstein anymore the reporters -- write a parking garage in DC with deep throat getting information about the Watergate -- what's changed -- technology has changed now.
What the Justice Department does first investigations.
That hasn't changed what's changed his people are using emails they're using cell phones.
There's more surveillance around.
So that the government contract if you mail a letter because is probably camera at the post office so they can go back and see -- did you actually put the -- There been a number of cases where even when.
Encrypted email has been used to.
Presumably protect even from the NSA from breaking into it but the government goes to the provider Internet provider -- a subpoena.
-- all the hard copy -- he now also being Christian is useless for that purpose.
That's what's changed that I represented throughout the ninety's in the two thousands many people investigated for classified leaks.
-- cases would go nowhere could the government couldn't find any evidence.
Now they're finding -- and what's so striking to us that that the posture the press has changed I mean.
You know reporters are getting in trouble for this and our sources are being imprisoned and reporters continue to suck up.
To the president which -- -- that suffered joining thank you.
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