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But we still don't know who ordered agents to do it or why but we do know the Irish targeting -- conservatives.
-- massive tax code those agents -- floors are just way out of control.
And now even more Americans are saying enough is enough -- is it time to fix this mess.
There's something Steve -- has been advocating for years.
Use the flat tax the flat tax something simple like my flat tax smacked a flat tax put put in the flat tax simple single rate flat tax flat tax simple flat tax.
So is Steve Wright is a simple flat tax the way to -- the higher -- beast.
Hi everybody I'm David has been welcome to Ford -- box let's go -- focused whip the man himself Steve Forbes.
Elizabeth MacDonald Greg Conger jibes fairly rich -- guard and Mike -- zany and so Steve.
Complexity is part of the problem here.
Corrupt -- folks are sort of hiding in the complexity of this scandal are they not.
They are David and that's a tax code the way it is today no one understands it including the IRS to call the hotline for the -- -- give -- the wrong answer hold you responsible for it brings out the worst in all of us especially tax time is this a deduction is that -- deduction.
So corrupts us assimilate it corrupts the government and it gives the -- discretion.
They wanna go after you -- -- the simple tax -- -- make life simpler and I think -- the IRS will be about 10% of the size it is today and erect a look at look at what they radiate the president's own aid -- former aide David Axelrod said about what's happening now he says part of being president is that there's so much beneath you that you can't know.
Because the government is so vast complexity has become a great excuse.
For avoiding responsibility for this.
Let me let me deal with with the flat tax issue first by the way I love that retrospective -- -- that was really cool.
I would be all for a flat tax with some modifications for the lower ends of the economic -- which -- recommend that I have to say.
The problem is I don't believe for 12.
That you wouldn't end up with a 70000 page code again why because most of the current code.
Is filled with things that have been done for special interest special interest are going away just because we turn into a flat tax.
Now as to IRS complexity look.
Let's be realistic I have run a large company but nowhere near as large as what the president sits on top of in in the United States government to point something middle.
That have to be that -- out we'll -- but this is present.
I don't want to push for make this even larger this this is the argument that you guys should make no one rich let me go to you -- the fact is not only has this president made it.
This government larger but he's made the iris is -- is part of obamacare we're gonna have 171000.
More IRS agents enforce that.
And it is the complexity.
Of the Internal Revenue Service that is part of the problem right.
Yet Cheerios and -- point he may well be right that if we flattened it eventually become complex again.
But that's not a reason to flatten it not slab that Rick I mean you got to blow it up and start with something simple and if it becomes complex over time.
Blow it up again and make it simple again at what we that we haven't had fundamental.
Tax reform since 1986.
Were way -- -- And you know this whole IRS story.
Kind of dovetails with the apple story and that this is polarized people to this apple pay enough taxes won't get a simple code could be out there for everybody to see and follow.
And jobs have -- again the question of responsibility.
And accountability we need accountability.
Right now we don't have any with the -- Us.
No we don't and and that's -- I love Steve's flat tax because I think you'd be huge improvement on what we have but my concern is that it does.
Penalize income and also causes us to prove our income to you and and -- like the IRS and that's why I would prefer a national sales tax.
That's the only way that we as individuals -- -- what restrain what we give to this obnoxious beast and hopefully lower revenues for the federal government not increase them.
What we all want to starve the beast but let's talk about making what we have a little less complex in act and what it is you can hide corruption in complexity we've just seen that that's one of the lessons of this scandal right.
Gasoline and by the way David Axelrod just gave a ringing and ringing endorsement to exactly with the Tea Party was talking about this and then they're getting elsewhere via the IRS point and -- tell -- something time and again political corruption we -- is that now.
Dangerously frighteningly possibly systemic within the IRS and that's an agency that has such intimate.
Part of our lives and that's what's scaring people that they know so much about our lives and -- that we're reporting income to this very brutal brutal.
Agency and -- say the political corruption is so bad we found those ten congressman.
Going after the IRS -- letters saying you gotta do more to investigate and probe these nonprofits that may be politicking and and it's flat out wrong.
It looks like it wasn't just an internal matter but Mike again.
The question of getting rid of the complexity or at least try to make it simpler instead of getting simpler.
This president is making it more complex I -- obamacare before I think our first concern right now is obamacare because the IRS is the enforcement arm of that and if you think it's bad now wait till they get their hands and all those personal records and so much of the law is ambiguous.
There -- charges such thing is like.
Hospital community activities and all those types that what does that even mean.
You've got to start with obamacare before you get a flat tax the fact is this is an organization that can destroy lives and destroyed businesses even before they proved that the people are trying to destroy our guilty look any you're guilty until proven innocent by the.
-- -- of legislation requires enforcement we should all be able to agree on that if you have this big problem.
With the IRS be the ones to enforce the payment penalty if you don't get insurance.
Created new agency you're not gonna like that I there are you so how do you hold just we enforce a -- even if you don't -- -- -- way to network suggesting.
That you switched to the flats the tax Steve and I we would get rid of a lot of the bureaucracy that we have now that's causing the problem all right here I was talking about.
-- -- that the flat tax would do that ever more major source of a corruption in Washington -- the of lobbying revolves around the tax code -- -- -- -- at 141000 times since 1986.
And does so let's just blow the thing up and start all over again and asked for up that's.
Trying to jump it up in the future its simplicity is its best step back everyone can see what happens you know it meant something in the code today.
You don't know about six months -- all that negative -- because you you had a key phrase here everybody can see what happens the problem here is that there is lack of her.
This is an administration came -- say we're going to be the most transparent administration had a great look what's happening yet.
That is at least -- of at least transparent possibly in history and I'll tell you something.
You know that time that we waste.
Satisfying the IRS and satisfying congress let's -- of black text it should be the -- time is spent doing dishes and that's it.
That's -- about as much time he should spend on your taxes with the US government.
And we should enact a nuisance -- against the US congress for every time they think they're doing something that is making progress with writing these complex legislation that we have to live under it is not right and it's unhealthy for the American people feel like you're doing something bad every time they fill up their tax -- And the iris a so invasive and really how we -- -- little.
I'm Steve I wanna give you the last word we we run out of time but again you've been pushing this for a long time is it reasonable to expect.
That out of this crisis out of this scandal we will have fundamental change to something like the flat tax absolutely and 2016 a lot of candidates are gonna be advocating this in one form or another and Simpson -- that came out bipartisan for simplifying the -- not as far as a flat tax but then discovers they discovered an east 86.
When the remove tax shelters you touch one -- -- touch the ball so I think the momentum will be.
Drastic simplicity and a code that does bring out the worst in all of us well I hope you're right I think everybody could agree in that last.
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