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About all this and what could come we're now joined by south Carolina Republican congressman -- -- joins us in Spartanburg.
And he is a member of the house oversight and Government Reform Committee -- -- -- that testimony last week congressman good morning.
Good morning happy memorial that good good to see you do you think a special prosecutor.
Will be named or should be an -- I can't answer the first but I can answer the second yes.
It's not an either or it's not either congress or a special prosecutor you can have both in congress ought to keep looking at -- But that build the policy shortcomings the management shortcomings but when it comes to investigating criminal conduct.
Congress is not well equipped to do that so yes how would support a special prosecutor so long -- that prosecutor.
Has access to a grand jury subpoena power and and the power to immunize if necessary.
But you can have both you'll have to pick between the two.
You heard the testimony of -- -- last week when she took the fifth I mean you're a former federal prosecutor yourself.
What would you do in this investigation.
What type of questions.
Would you ask these -- -- S officials about what happened.
Who knew what win it's really simple you when you when you think about what the jury wants to know the jury wants to know who made the decision to target conservative groups when was the decision made.
Juries always want to know the motive they want to know the why I think the wise pretty readily apparent but the way you conduct investigations as you start.
Up at at at the lowest level with whoever in the -- the field office in Ohio.
Actually implemented this game.
And it did you interview people and -- -- interview room under oath and you use the grand jury and you worked your way up and it and because what you don't want to do it is give a supervisors or the managers will pass and only put the little people and legal jeopardy you -- -- work your way up.
And and congress is just I mean what -- -- so it is a phenomenal chairman and -- but he didn't run for office because he wants to be a prosecutor.
So congress needs to provide the oversight from -- policy in a management enough funding standpoint.
-- there are real questions of criminal conduct.
And congress is just not the proper body to be doing.
That allahu sellers learned clammed up as his -- right under the fifth in men but look at that Doug -- -- in the former IRS commissioner 2012 he -- before congress and says quote.
Is it mr.
-- lied to congress or maybe made a mistake or just didn't know the facts.
Maybe all three.
He was among the more dreadful witnesses I'll never had the displeasure of spending time around but what you saw on that committee hearing you only get five minutes five minutes to question.
Will Wear as a prosecutor could take five days if he or she wanted to.
So -- showman was a dreadful witness he couldn't answer questions yes or no he still was the last person.
Almost -- on the planet.
Who doesn't realize this was -- and targeting -- only.
Avenue of recourse he can come -- -- if there's an inspector general he's incapable of providing any oversight of management in his own entity.
He also pass on all -- on the inspector general.
If you if it if you were watching that -- you wished that each member of congress have more than five minutes then you'll really want a special prosecutor to look into the.
Well let's take a look at some of his testimony for a second when he -- it was revealed that he had.
Visited the White House 118.
Times over two year period he was asked about that.
Some of the reasons you might -- him at the white house on.
The Easter egg roll -- my kids.
-- -- -- talk about the budget he said he had no memory of talking to anybody at the White House about conservative groups but look here's the math.
118 times over two years that what 240 workdays if you get four weeks of vacation.
Given twenty days of vacation of -- 22 years Ford and forty work -- over two years this could bring those to you -- on days.
That means congressman 27% of -- days he's visiting the White House.
Is this legitimate appropriate government procedure or it could do you suspect that could be something else.
Obvious -- or defile them that it wouldn't be so -- Yeltsin and kudos to Jimmy Jordan saw the great congressman from Ohio 44 figuring this out but also kudos to -- college -- the Saudi -- who ask him.
That was a Democrat to ask him about the Easter -- Thought I don't think they're harder and eighteen Easter days in -- calendar year so what was he doing at the White House that many times.
-- we can ask -- Until the cows come home but we get five minutes and then you moved to someone else.
If we can't follow up we we can't place him in legal jeopardy.
And that's the short combing up of a congressional committee when you're dealing with potential criminal conduct so bottom -- and I don't want solid.
Yeah I have signed up about a minute believe that the only way to actually get into all this -- -- that is indeed a criminal investigation of -- special prosecutor.
Well I don't know -- -- -- for sixteen years and I've been in congress for two under certain things that congress is better rat -- prosecutors are better at France's policy.
Figuring out funding.
Issues but there are things that prosecutors are better -- and -- congressman.
In investigating criminal conduct would most decidedly be one of those.
-- -- is that call we'll see what happens it's not going away concentrate Gatti.
We thank you for joining us on this Sunday yes -- and for your insight and and now costs factored.
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