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That there are no no owns the no no it's.
Things we know that we know and we know we know.
There are known unknowns are things we know that we don't know things that we now know we don't know.
-- -- So there are also unknown unknowns the things we do not yet know that we do not know.
There are things we do not know -- we don't know now what does that tell us that he is really only then known mounds.
And the known unknowns.
-- What do you say he can't believe -- -- Beverley my journal.
I don't -- the iconic press conferences by a Defense Secretary Don Rumsfeld had a little is known unknowns unknowns that may have made it into his book that's called rumsfeld's rules.
Leadership lessons in business politics war and life are -- can you explain this known none in the whole you know if -- and I'll go ahead -- happen.
Because I was chairman of the ballistic missile threat commission now and there were 45 generals and 45 Ph.D.s all I'm very Smart.
And in that discussion.
Came that I thought.
That that that there are things we that no known things we know we know.
-- an unknown things we know we don't -- But they're also unknown unknowns the things we don't know we don't know it and they're the ones that get you.
But that makes is that perfect sense that we just explained it but I think in that moment with the liberal press they had no clue what he who is sick and they didn't then they -- lot of fun of it and are.
And then they were wrong.
-- -- but that raises.
A whole chapter of your rules meeting the press.
-- there were two people that I know in the world the politics they gave the most entertaining press conferences you and Rudy Giuliani.
And I guess to a certain extent you might now -- Chris Christie to the next.
You -- but what is it that you guys had this relationship.
With the press somewhat adversarial.
That others in politics don't have the stomach for.
I don't know I just enjoyed them I enjoyed the press conference -- -- -- you know assure them and you know these these folks had their job my wife told me this one time she said -- They have their job and you have your job and and that's the fact so if you deal with them openly and honestly.
And often they would -- a question in a way that tried to take you down a certain path.
-- I found out that you can proceeded perfectly logically from an inaccurate premise.
To an inaccurate conclusion.
And therefore you have to untangle the premises that are not accurate and restate their questions.
And I will almost top -- and I helped them out and -- always try to restate the question in a way that the the answer make some sense rather than than.
-- you going into a cul-de-sac also said it's very liberating to say you don't know it is it's a wonderful thing what you decide you're comfortable saying you don't know.
You use it often does everything get that such a good.
What about the bureaucracy and battling that bureaucracy.
Because that was a big part of your career.
I think it was Franklin Roosevelt when he was in the navy department who said that they're trying to manage the department of the navy.
Is like fighting with a a large pillow.
All day long and at the end you're exhausted and the -- hasn't changed a bit from the pillows one may be hit -- Abraham Lincoln said something similar said.
If I were to try to attend all the details of the US army.
I would it would be like trying to empty the Potomac River with a teaspoon.
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