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Death and taxes.
Those are two today is that are inevitable.
And if you are one of our guest today you would add to that list the possibility of corruption at the Internal Revenue Service to that's.
And this is power play and I -- Chris Farrell all.
And -- Internet I hope you had a wonderful Memorial Day weekend I hope that you.
Use the time -- that you had to prepare for plenty of raw excellence today because we haven't.
In a large measure today.
We will talk about the the way that what he's been called us and corruption.
Are great and atmosphere of corruption at the IRS.
Was born and bred.
And how it actually affects the way the investigation -- -- we will talk about.
Will be those chosen by Eric holder's Department of Justice to come and consult with them about how to be nicer to journalists and will they accept we'll talk about that.
We will talk about the president's nominee to lead the Department of Labor with someone formally regulated by mr.
Thomas -- We will do all that and get the latest on the today's round of Clinton presidential speculative balloon floating it.
As the former First Lady from secretary of state gets out on the campaign trail who do all of that we will do it with -- We will do it with Christopher Cassidy and good cheer I know that it is possible because Tim Carney is here and he is.
The chief political correspondent is that true now senior political -- we all get these inflated yes this idols that the examiner -- gotten quite lucky die he but you're the what.
-- senior political com senior political columnist quite so.
Back when I knew you were just.
Lobbying for yes and now -- -- the most junior political -- starts -- title brightness look a bit and only make sense.
And welcomed him did you actually I did thank you.
-- -- -- -- I played with my kids.
-- -- -- -- Basic and you know the thing is if you don't do that civility that problem on -- so it's better just yet they -- -- staff and front and do that.
But -- say you wrote a column.
That has been widely read.
In which you say why shouldn't be surprised.
Why shouldn't be surprising that the IRS would end up targeting conservative groups.
Four -- rim and harassment.
Based on who populates the -- -- excellent short I start off doing what I always do which is you certainly can't campaign finance data so.
IRS employees people -- their employers the IRS two thirds of their campaign contributions go to Democrats I thought I'd be more.
But then I looked in the campaign donations -- -- -- of the Cincinnati office where the targeting of the Tea Party -- happen.
There it was 75% of the donations went to Democrats over the last three cycles but just the last cycle so 2012 election every donation out of Cincinnati.
Went to Sherrod Brown the liberal democratic senator or Barack Obama every single donation.
So I know I'm no Romney no no Romney fans and Cincinnati -- parents that's one thing you say yes these are Democrats and of course -- -- Federal employees are Democrats these are unionized federal employees largely belong to a union the national treasury employees union.
They gave I think 96% of its money over the last three elections.
Two Democrats but -- the other side was after I started writing that the parents -- sort -- getting emails from Paris and points and they said.
-- -- Of course we're Democrats why would we support a party that wants it -- destroy the government my movies very party -- to shrink the government down I would destroy a party that's always.
You know that now being the IRS is so you got a bunch of Democrats surrounded by a bunch of Democrats doing the work trying to figure out who's overly political.
So this argues against the idea.
Directive from the White House or that some some store.
Needed to reach beyond the boundaries of the IRS because.
These those -- do this just to -- -- today your argument as this is who they are and if you if you say to them if you if you say to.
You need to be looking into these political groups of course they're going to do that that's going to be there and.
Else if if yes if you don't need to tell the grass to grow you don't need to tell a bunch of Democrats surrounded by a bunch of Democrats.
Armed with the job of pursuing.
Of policing political speech to be more suspicious.
Of conservative groups knowledge and going give them.
Bit more the bent out.
The IRS code says that you're eligible for this sort of tax exemption if you pursuing.
But they call social welfare her -- I think it's in the social welfare to make government a lot -- I think social welfare to make the tax code smaller and simpler.
But here's the constitution exact things that they were targeted if you are a liberal.
And you're surrounded only by liberals you might your idea social welfare might be limited to you know.
Cleaning up the Cuyahoga River or -- -- or feeding the pour all the things that are social welfare.
But it is also social welfare to do with the Tea -- -- you're trying to do that you might be more suspicious of it in the democratic map.
Not just the kind of his -- by the way about them -- river which used to be a blow.
You could drink from the -- river now they can't get a job youngster but you can definitely be -- -- definitely -- All right so.
What the investigation and and and how this will be handled the president if that's what you say is true.
Explain then why the reticence on the board of the administration and the Treasury Secretary Jack -- and others take up.
Bit of I mean if they're not afraid of something coming back in casting them and ill -- -- why not go after these folks.
Because the problem.
Where it reflects poorly on is the federal bureaucracy not even the type of people who make up the federal bureaucracy but the whole system the whole structure of unionized government employees being put in this -- so the first thing I think it does this indict the tax say we should not have the IRS police -- political speech.
But the second thing it would do would be to say well maybe we shouldn't have such strong career protections for these.
You've got bureaucrats.
Who are members of a fully democratic union sort of that that's at the heart of the problem.
And you don't want of a democratic.
Government employee union sort of coming under fire if you were president.
Right and you.
As we've talked about here many times before.
The democratic core constituency the most important element in all of that.
Our government employee unions organized labor yes -- public to private sector organized labor is.
It is going away -- chloride is a good word for it is erratic at best I was going the way of the of the a telephone.
-- -- there will still be some somewhere.
But it wouldn't be a hard thing to explains my children's generation.
But government employee unions have grown they've experienced setbacks Scott Walker and other states and things like that.
But the president can't look like he's out on a witch hunt after these folks because they helped him elected.
-- and and as you're saying that is his people that is that is the democrats' most reliable base probably -- a government point.
And so if I'm not -- in sort of a conspiracy from the White House compositing I think something more troubling if you're conservative is -- realization that the IRS.
Will always be more skeptical.
Of what you're doing as a nonprofit group then they will be of what the left.
Well that's kind of there that's kind of their -- And and invented it's a problem.
With for the the idea they had to be 501 -- four you can be political but not too political -- -- says he's very subjective.
Job of policing how politically York giving to the people who have the power -- -- -- I think that whole structure is problematic.
You know what -- -- does -- Army tells it like it -- and he also is frequently telling conservatives to get off of crony capitalism.
And he is.
Ideas that are growing in their currency and by the Republican party's attorneys -- read.
And probably follow at TP -- just out of a measure.
A good caution to follow him -- -- -- that would be prudent so that you know what's what that would be prudential even.
And we thank you thank you for us.
Okay -- the points as good morning Chris stairwell from the -- of snow one inch of snow this weekend.
What's going on with that.
But let me tell -- it's -- -- be 95 in Washington by the end of this week and I will have to be packed -- -- just to be taken to work -- -- an inch of snow.
Maybe I could live -- Oh -- and he's from eastern -- so it's nice and cool you have all that nice weather until the black flies come out and bite everybody to death.
You might not believe this says did he just use the phrase campaign trail.
Referring to me I haven't checked my calendar lately but I thought it was only -- thirteen.
I can't handle three years of Hillary before the next election I really can't.
Well believe this you might not believe this gets on she was out campaigning yesterday.
It is in full effect they're staffing up -- doing all the things that they're gonna have to do to do what she couldn't do before.
Which was emerge as the early.
Front runner in survived in that space how will she do it with whom by what means we will answer that question we come back -- this program.
And that's is Hillary Clinton on the move and this is power play and welcome back.
Now the former First Lady former first lady of Arkansas former cattle future trader.
Former a lot of things including most recently secretary of state -- soon to be bestselling author I guarantee.
Is was -- in what could only be called the campaign trail yesterday back in New York.
Going to a Memorial Day parade in -- with Andrew Cuomo the governor of that state.
Who is -- by many ordered viewed by many -- but the only Democrats who could.
-- a reasonable challenge -- what looks increasingly like a coronation.
As democratic nominee for 2016.
Long way to go as you Internet have pointed out -- long way to go to get there.
I don't think it looks like she is unstoppable at this point at least in -- on the democratic side.
So let's talk about that Hillary Clinton on the march with -- Garland -- he is.
A radio talk show host.
WP FW here in Washington DC.
He is that's law enforcement officer he is -- man of the left is patriot is good people.
-- and welcome back.
Thank -- Ford O'Connell -- is a former McCain Palin presidential advisor chairman of the severe form back.
It makes -- a Republican makes him also patriotic this makes them also welcome guest here -- welcome back.
Thank you now as I just compared it and I'm sorry to make this analogy but it's going to happen.
Hillary Clinton is like when Darth Vader was buildings of death star.
Did not care that the Hillary Clinton Mike Allen's no this morning was basically hey hey how's organs for the clintons for 2060 hiring -- doing that look here Politico is getting all jazzed up for the Clinton Campaign -- their hiring who they're not.
She's out on the campaign trail instead of showing you -- you watch for example Republicans like Rand Paul who almost certainly is running for president.
He just I love it has to be careful to -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- We -- just Gary we've seen this movie before forward but we we have more my worst -- 99% chance she's Mormon but much of what the world.
One marked an asteroid could hit there aren't exactly one of my favorite things in the entire place -- the entire world does.
Sports book procedures house if we had walked -- -- -- -- right now she is a three touchdown favorite.
Which makes her -- -- the open -- -- Just about as close as you can get to being -- for President Obama -- all the expectations in the world.
Frankly by the time she delivers her victory speech in Iowa Caucuses she doesn't deliver the Gettysburg address I -- to -- -- failure.
She can do anything.
This is -- time Hillary Clinton.
You are omni point out that the movie and I did not even know about this -- brought up.
Is due out well until death and Reese Witherspoon I think -- after recent recent sort of drinking roadside problems go to all probably has an inside -- -- kind -- lives just trying to get I get a movie a Twitter and a -- -- in June 20 and movie and it's a movie apparently.
In which a twenty something Hillary Clinton juggling a Washington career with long distance boyfriend Bill Clinton.
Are you pulling my leg Garland is that.
Really coming out.
I don't know but it should be exemption of the a hundred Hillary movies that should be done to this day come to think yeah -- come to -- -- I don't like that death star now because out of the -- the diehard whether.
But the good thing is this political.
Covered politics DMZ so they're going to be all over this movie and we can talk about the reviews soon I don't I can't imagine that this movie is being made this -- absolutely she's got it all went well.
She's gonna have literally a 100% name ID before the mid term elections even in -- -- is there an enemy Jordan does but now we're really gonna happen but that the reality.
Garland says that it would be more she more potent she becomes more.
Anything that she would say at this point if you were to come back and try to dial back those expectations for a little you know -- a -- -- aren't as good play.
Anything that she would do in that regard.
Would be confusing your -- -- dispiriting for Democrats if she kind of needs to just go all right well no I think she's she needs to do it.
-- heard what would what.
Both turner has been doing and that is still a little smile a lot and go to parades and let everyone else coordinator and let everyone else say you know -- unstoppable she is but I think the best thing that she can do is kind of lay low until the the actual.
Election starts until the the the actual cycle starts in the -- just -- all out battle the republic.
She's lying so -- -- super pac already know the movie Twitter and she's gonna -- and tweeting like -- problems.
I'm -- they I don't want the expectations -- I want everyone and everything -- there's no way on gods and a Republican opponent of the Republicans do.
So be Hillary has has had already -- effect on the Republican Party.
One time which was the nomination of John McCain Republicans got.
All weird it out about losing the election.
And they were they were at loose ends and they were thinking about other things and then they said we'll take McCain take -- take John McCain and get out of here.
Take this -- take -- take the straight talk express out of town.
And it caused them to take McCain and -- They were not and I'm sorry for your -- I don't know and they look at the Republicans were happy with what they got they get -- run their own memories they got to figure out who the best person has to speak for The Who received the base happy if there's a lot of people just tell us now.
I like Chris Christie like skywalker like Marco Rubio I do like the possibility that Rand -- including -- go for that a lot of people think your question is can he balance that sort of constitutional libertarian thinking with practical governing what he's having a little hard time -- right and if the Republicans can find a way to tap it did libertarians left and right exactly hate hate the clintons -- hey hey hey -- because it's the idea that you can decline.
Well I mean you know -- strongly not me.
But libertarians of of those stripes hate the clintons because they see them as part of this big business big government in bed together to -- press.
And that kind of stuff and don't forget the Iraq War forced resolution stuff like that -- Gaza -- are well and I let it only works in his.
I -- I don't.
Iraq the Iraq War -- don't -- for the hit either yes so how.
How is so for the Democrats -- Which Republicans and we're not gonna believe James Carville who said -- I hope it's not that Ted -- guys out -- for the Democrats.
Who is the Republican that they should be feeling the -- in terms of who could be -- I don't think I I don't think there's anyway I think probably don't want -- -- -- I would like to say could get to 40% I would have to say Chris Christie.
Not but come most of us don't feel that he can get -- to the Republicans -- we -- -- Republicans have fallen into -- trap of always re acting that's what Barack Barack Obama were able to throw you guys.
Back when your heels and you get a reacting a guy she got a black guy -- got to do this you've got a woman's gotta have Sarah pal you've been reacting instead of operating kind of one year old level in figuring out who you know they don't you react you can't -- You do make a very good at that point as they need to find somebody -- best articulate a policy strategy.
Yes here's a forward and looking way to do things in a way to connect with a broad swath of the electorate if you and I both know it's not about issues that most people don't know anything about issues what it's about as messaging connecting speaking for the middle class the -- from charisma that exact.
I have heard nothing beats charisma and a good story so that's -- -- is Christie -- that's all you need Republicans is just the perfect candidate and and maybe you could get to 40%.
Well I don't know -- the third 37%.
To look at what guys -- -- present our -- we thank you make time for us on this Memorial Day Tuesday.
Thank you always good to be -- both guys are.
Our Internet we're gonna take a quick break.
When we come back I'm going to introduce you to someone whose name is Brett McMahon he is president.
Of the big construction firm here in the Washington area who's dealt with opera -- the guy whose nomination to be his secretary of labor is hung.
In the senate right now waiting for a vote among senators are out of time we'll talk to him about his first -- experiences with mr.
-- when we come back -- stick around.
-- you knowing that you're not gonna stop talking now.
Ever get -- characterized something as something to mister chairman of which uniform the way justice as part -- the rules and his committee appropriate and it's too consistent with the way in which you conduct yourself.
As a member of congress it's unacceptable.
And it's shameful that.
Was attorney general Eric Holder and the person he was -- Was Darrell ice that was in May fifteenth hearing in -- house oversight committee.
Everybody -- that sound bite you probably heard of -- the time to talk about contentious discussions -- had about -- -- -- -- revenue service and targeting of reporters by holder's Department of Justice but what we're talking about there was -- -- about there.
Was in fact the email records of one Thomas.
Who is one of holder's top deputies currently in the post the deputy attorney general in charge of civil rights division.
And this is power play welcome back to mr.
Out of committee.
As we say he is now pending for a full senate vote that no vote has yet been scheduled.
President kind of controversial not just for what happened while what has happened but he's been mr.
But also because of his career in Maryland government.
Did you know don't you know -- well in fact he was the head of Maryland state Labor Department.
For some years as well as serving in Montgomery county and stuff like that.
So what was he like back.
I know somebody who knows at least I do now his name is Brett McMahon is the president of Miller and long DC now what Miller -- does.
-- just informed me.
Is they are concrete.
Specialists they have seventeen some 17100 employees were.
And the concrete that makes the spine and structure inside the high rise buildings in this area.
And much of it comes from you guys.
Our fair share your fair share and you're always happy to have as much of your fair share if you can't -- salute.
So with that many employees and working in this area you had cause to interact with mr.
-- on a number of occasions -- tell.
Well roaming among other things -- when he was the secretary of labor was actually he was sort of nondescript who wasn't it wasn't terribly noteworthy what what I thought was most interesting about it is.
Political lives in Emery county and Maryland.
In particular was his attempt to run for attorney general -- doesn't -- I think it tells you an awful lot about how -- -- abuse the law and in.
And what he was willing to do to manipulate the law -- order to.
Further his own career.
Back you know seven he ran for attorney general and state -- Maryland requires that a attorney general candidate be a member of being in good standing of the state or -- Period of no less than ten years.
Peres at that time had actually been the only member and -- -- -- for five.
Not just Republicans believe some Democrats are actually took him to court to challenge his -- -- And I -- the judge she said essentially -- -- pretty terse decision.
What's ambiguous about ten.
And what is that in anyway confusing.
And constantly threw him off the ballot but it it is it kind of fits with this pattern of when it when he feels it's necessary he will work as many angles as you possibly can.
A goal for himself.
He's big he's been very ambitious.
We know that I mean in his.
In his political life that.
He would say.
That there's so much wrong to be rectified there there -- -- strong to be rectified that.
It's sort of -- riff on Barry Goldwater.
Moderation in defense of virtue is is no good.
That is most definitely what he would say and that's why he's the scariest individual -- can thank -- to put in this position.
Why he did so he's these -- yet pays a nightmare walking I mean it literally -- if we if we just look at.
That and is you know the researchers got into already -- this this amazing intervention.
In this Saint Paul, Minnesota issued to preserve this whole bizarre concept -- disparate impact.
As as a legal.
Fact that he was going to do all that actually preserve that.
Is scary which means you know what.
Would he not be willing to do.
When he's not just you know deputy anymore he's actually secretary of labor that has jurisdiction over 98% of all the workplaces in the United States.
That's that's frightening we've seen this Labor Department already be used in in.
To intimidate people ready we've seen.
You know the activism from the National Labor Relations Board which while independent is nevertheless.
-- inform those.
The the senate democratic establishment -- -- -- -- when so.
Again -- you have a guy who views he's doing you know righteous good.
By manipulating the law in order to further the goal that he particularly Greece but I mean it's it's.
It's a very dangerous -- frankly.
If you you really would expect hope that.
You can at least the opportunity to have a fair hearing but I don't think you rule exists and I fully anticipate that as a result of this will get even more.
Inspections and we normally wouldn't.
His company bus Windows Phone at least you you'll stay busy so.
Oprah -- what we thank you for taking some time for thank you very much appreciate your our Tony follows up to say this.
Reese Witherspoon ABC reports that Reese Witherspoon or scarlet -- -- -- is on the table for perhaps playing Hillary Clinton in the movie I've seen the pictures I've seen the pictures I've seen pictures -- meters yeah.
So no -- -- -- but.
Jonathan Hunt is up next and now as we'd like to do every day.
We'll leave you with the word from our friend Charles.
If -- incited -- -- -- over the idea of the climate damage to hi team Cuba.
Because they would be incitement if you kept him in the United States as well.
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