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Com later today at chilling assault.
On the freedom of the press would you agree with the.
Hell I definitely know something about -- I guess you do because not only did I got -- jail to protect a source and I also had my own telephone records records subpoenaed by the same special prosecuted by the way.
And this was a fight that when I was at the New York Times.
We wage through the courts we were told that they get to Patrick FitzGerald the prosecutor wanted my telephone records and those of my colleague -- -- NN.
We fought it.
We won the district level and then we lost in the Court of Appeals and all of our telephone records home office -- were turned over me to have mr.
FitzGerald all -- -- person.
I think -- -- -- we'll concede the how frightening that is in terms of the freedom of the press we I was can certainly appreciate what's it like.
Personally how do you feel when somebody.
Some faceless nameless so sometimes nameless bureaucrat.
At the DOJ.
-- -- -- -- -- It's really it's it's very very.
Hard to describe the feeling of intrusion in -- nation almost as if your house has been wrong idea I would have it's and and of course my concern and Phillips concern.
The protection of our sources -- you know the Justice Department had basically a list of everybody that we had been talking to -- Why they use what we -- trade craft.
Or black or -- and -- spy craft is so important in terms of protecting sources now fortunately both Philip and I were involved and national security work so for a long long time we had taken steps to protect her sources but.
To say that it does not have a chilling effect on the journalists on on the people we talked to is to live on another planet of course because.
Anybody is going to be -- you the journalists.
All you -- a person.
Talking to that journalists -- going to think now wait a week being monitored -- -- -- -- to our phone records -- -- read our emails in want to attack but the point that the point that the administration would make.
And those who believe that security perhaps trumps freedom of the press in this post 9/11 world.
Would say that.
That's exactly what we should be doing because we cannot afford to have.
Leaks that threaten national security look I think -- and legitimate issues of national security.
The government has a right to do it must do to protect the American people -- I have long argued that and in fact even bit at odds with many of my colleagues Jonathan.
-- and I'm writing a book about this period right now discussing that very issue.
It's not at all clear that the government even need it the records that it was.
I was searching -- and and -- it be if there was no indication.
That James Rosen -- email -- or telephone records could have added anything to what the government already knew he knew.
Of the -- her.
Based on these records that it has seized from the alleged leaker -- -- computer terminal at the Department of State.
Why did it need James Rosen is records I've never seen a coherent explanation of that from the government and nor has Eric Holder been asked that question.
You have any suspicion that they needed -- -- -- because he worked for Fox News.
I believe that since this issue this warrant was issued at the very time when David Axelrod and other.
Obama officials were trying to delegitimize.
Fox News as a news organization that question must.
Laughs when you when you look at that issue -- when you look at the IRS targeting all of conservative groups -- and I mean it may be it's stretching it somewhat to go back to a nixonian enemies list but it certainly seems that there's at least stay.
Not so friendly -- how revealing my subway.
Or is there perhaps a double standard list in the people whose privacy.
Act can be invaded and those who who will be given -- -- look I I think that.
These that this is the issue that has to be asked has there been a -- broader scale abuse of power by this administration.
When we look at the IRS when we look at -- the subpoenas to the AP.
And to James Rosen when we look at the things that have happened in the name of protecting national security here.
Carrying -- carrying out legal prosecutions you have to ask whether or not.
This government is under sufficient control and as abiding by the checks and balances that we take for granted.
The up one of our -- -- writes it bothers me and I'm just a regular citizen it sounds like China or Korea the government can swoop in and take away my rights for any reason.
Being real or imagined great to get -- Phillips is always Judy nice thank you for being here and Judy Miller of course is one of those you can see.
Saturday's 230 and 11:30 PM eastern on Fox News what's hosted by Jones golf thank you very much -- very -- --
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