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Tonight they're currently three so called scandals and play the IRS federal snooping on reporters in the assassination of Libyan ambassador Christopher Stephens.
What does not discuss -- situation is a former Republican vice presidential candidate.
Congressman Paul so with the IRS -- -- on -- house Ways and Means Committee.
CME investigating yes sir are what's going to happen going forward spoken there for things we know right now I'm number one we know that they targeted people -- in the political beliefs.
Not just Tea Party groups -- religious groups as well.
That were conservative in nature number two we know they're intimidating harassing donors to these conservative groups number three.
We know that the IRS leaked sensitive taxpayer information.
Which was venues publicly to -- donors -- number four.
We already know that the congress that the -- misled congress but you don't know who exactly how did it part of that was to get -- started last week in.
Interviewing and and and doing depositions so.
Our investigators are -- low level RS employees were working our way through the system right and we're starting -- documents -- requested.
Thousands and thousands of documents which are and are starting to come into the Ways and Means Committee we're starting -- have to give you those stock they had protective immunity to them if they don't -- -- and then get those document but if they defy you I think people -- -- -- people need to know the parameters.
Number one if they lied to your committee that's a federal that's right right.
Number two if they don't hand -- -- -- the IRS the Internal Revenue Service the documents that you want that's a crime and we'll subpoena them in that case that they don't OK but when you say will subpoena them make it's they wanted to do it anyway that's happened before.
Then they can be charged with a crime correct OK so you have added a criminal capability different.
Now you're thoroughly convinced this is just not a Cincinnati dealer a couple of rogue IRS people don't want -- -- pretty clear it's pretty clear that it's more systematic than that that you got to grind out.
Whether it was just contained in the IRS.
All right in the slowest learner she's a big player here and she's got.
Or it was ordered from the White House I mean basically that.
That's what you gotta find out -- we don't know the answer back so we're gonna let the facts take us there -- -- -- you should.
And we're going to do our job right out the legislative branch overseeing the executive branch this is an arrogant abuse of power.
It's really quite like somebody but by somebody right by the IRS for sure the question is what we do not -- what this investigation will bear out and that's why we -- Interviewing all these various -- employees getting the documents.
The IG is now doing an investigation not they didn't audit by monitoring and investing -- -- inspector general now lowest learning you know her she's wanted to say yes right okay.
So if you give her immunity.
Your -- house ways communities say look wrestler would giving you immunity can't be prosecuted she then asked to testify in front of -- -- -- Compelled by law to correct in my right well that yet a sheet that therefore there's no reason to take the 51 -- -- she says I'm still not gonna testify could you.
Tortuous often I think that's the case that's that's right right.
Here's here's the that's what you -- -- just get hurt never unity week in we have a lot of people telling if you would do the investigate I honestly do the investigation and nobody is Smart as me.
Every kid that actually tallies get a -- here they are you are.
Would you -- Really miss ironically we're doing this the right we were not this is not a partisan witch and they should get to the facts get to the -- still yeah.
And all the facts and that's why we're taking this investigation extremely seriously we're merging two different how long this is -- and has -- take months.
All right so -- -- the rest of 2013.
You probably I don't wanna put an end date because I don't know where the facts will take us hole that you want him to quit.
-- -- you're -- get a sense of matter who's of the close friend of mine.
Wanted the giants in the in the legal community a member of the Judiciary Committee call for his resignation as so did you have -- -- -- there is so and so look I think.
I want when when -- put a legal challenge -- matter who knows this agency extremely well says this man has -- gone beyond the -- of his office -- I agree with that so you think he's gonna resign and not only -- and -- Axelrod said over the weekend Axelrod I'm not speaking for the president had no idea if he's gonna resign and look.
We think what his testimony was before the judiciary contradicted the actions he made just like the testimony of the acting commission the IRS.
What we now know he knew at the time so we -- two instances here.
Where were people from the administration came in misled congress.
Ice it'd paralyzed another congress genuine.
Is spinning all the documents to the State Department try to find out about -- -- right right that's a Smart play because -- got -- -- -- right that's right that's right so what year of those -- guys you most most Americans on on the story which is.
They knew right away because the number two man in charge Gregory hicks said that this was a terrorist attack -- had nothing to do with a video they didn't believe him yet yet they push this story for for days and weeks.
And the question is who made those decisions who made his decisions to mislead the country and these issues and that's with into the bottom of the -- of the assassination and the three other Americans were killed as well.
President Clinton called -- President Obama called Hillary Clinton.
It -- -- right we need to know what that conversation of bullets that's what that's what an investigation tell about.
That's for congressional investigators are doing.
That's what the document I don't know eleven get because that's you know they're not well they're there there's there's there's a point at which they might invoke privilege and -- we're gonna have to have a big debate about that right.
Do you see this damaging and President Obama so that the Republican Party will take control of congress in 2000 think -- -- bill let's just wait to prematurely estimated companies that this is a low point of the Obama administration that.
The point is this is an arrogant abuse of power you know one of the problems Mitt Romney and I had in the last election.
Which we were debating against big government theory we to compete against the promise and the rhetoric of President Obama will now in the second term.
Nobody's in Lebanese agenda we're seeing big government in practice OK but the bigger problem that you and the governor had -- you were not only campaigning against Barack Obama with the American press.
Except for Bill O'Reilly wow we're fair hearing and I think you know I thought -- you know we don't know I'm not just haven't -- right.
But but now the press may be turning.
Have you noticed that ice I think when you see -- the Jim James Rosen case the AP case right the press.
Understands the First -- extremely well and I think they -- that -- extremely seriously.
And you just can't hide from the fact that this IRS abuse is arrogant and obnoxious the question is dangerous who knew about it how systemic and how widespread was it in and win you release -- power will you keep the factor posted here.
Absolutely all right.
Congressman good to see you thank you for coming it.
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