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OK let's start with.
Let's start with IRS today.
It was our lead story because there was this Tennessee group a conservative group the organizer says he's still.
-- denied tax exempt status after a third -- -- letter he received this month this is after.
President came out they -- administration said this is all done we're trying to rectify this there's a new IRS commissioner.
-- What about this and how big a deal as this.
-- we don't know I mean one of the points I think.
That defenders of the IRS and and I -- liberals make is that some of these Tea Party groups.
Probably deserved to be audited or deserve to have be scrutinized.
And what the evidence of wrongdoing is this statistical.
-- wires -- -- how much scrutiny all these groups got simply about what was in their name.
From -- I think sometimes we should be a little careful about saying that simply because they're getting scrutiny from the IRS that means that RS is doing something wrong conversely.
The -- better be really careful about this because of they're still doing this now it is a really big deal.
Where do you see this -- I mean you've got.
These investigations up on the hill.
They don't seem like they're stopping anytime soon.
This do you see this of the three things going on right now is the big steal for the administration.
Without a doubt because I think it crosses political lines in terms of the outrageous generated I think people on all sides understand you know sort of -- but for the grace of god.
Goes the the IRS taking you know taking aim at me or my politics.
You go back historically in groups you know ranging from -- peace -- the NAACP.
During the bush years complained about IRS type of interference so.
I think people -- -- this is not a good thing and -- that's why I think you see the numbers there indicate this is the most threatening of all three scandals to the administration.
I will say here though that at the moment.
When you look on Capitol Hill it's not exactly clear where they go with it because slowest -- you know pleaded the fifth.
And now it won't testify.
You know we've seen the new IRS chief up there today.
And he says you know.
Things -- getting back and won't come to -- point if things are still -- we got a huge problem but.
They've got to find a way to to legitimately scoring.
People that they think may have been violating the law.
Without doing so in such a fashion as to.
Target anybody's specific political beliefs.
Allen from -- vs -- I see very little outraged with liberals.
-- how you look at the polls which is right there Ellen.
Is there and yes -- if you look at the polls what you see is that something like -- you know the AP -- though.
-- almost goes nowhere.
With the left in this country but the IRS -- -- the one -- bumps up and did you think you know.
Where bumps up to is in the low thirties that's the highest -- of any of the scandals that we've seen in and talked about in the last few weeks.
Joseph says -- why do you patronize one with a comment about a -- not been present that is -- -- -- well let me -- -- you guys slammed him for presenting the editor of the judgment now.
Joseph -- just a little joke.
Well -- that I -- -- I appreciate that somebody apprehensive you know it did in the break we were just talking about the but you know it's just you know Joseph god bless you that's -- -- -- -- But -- there there's there's so much grown -- it's -- Miller starts scrutiny is one thing.
But nobody argues.
Even if you decide -- a group looks like it it might need to be investigated.
That you -- allowed if you the IRS to us about the contents of beliefs.
You know what senior worship you worship.
What the beliefs that you owner and he remembers Newfoundland you know.
And compete and run for office these kinds of things are completely out of bounds so the content of the questions in and of themselves.
Are out of -- and that's one scandal.
The other is there's.
Story now that it's always skewing -- -- well.
If you talk to -- Mitchell who's the attorney for a bunch of these groups she wrote to the the IRS.
-- -- -- -- after she made her confession.
In the planted story at the ABA meaning.
She said I want an apology to my clients don't want an apology.
They want to -- And they still continue to wait I think that really is the of the essence of this I think where this goes is I hope I think the Wall Street Journal.
Had an accident -- -- I've been arguing that you're gonna go a -- A prosecutor and about a prosecutor who -- going to be unfolding in congress it showed in folder in congress the minute you go to special prosecutor which in principle.
A lot of conservatives like me opposed.
In the Plame case and it should have been opposed I was a travesty.
It's out of control and really is -- we ought to.
Perhaps never do.
But also the minute that happens.
He gets wiped off the radar screen because every question that anybody -- getting the administration is going to be answered with.
Can speak about that it's under investigation.
So those surface in two years somebody you'll go to jail that's not the purpose of this what you want this -- this to come -- -- committee.
The American people can simply understand.
How what happened who did it who encouraged -- who might have ordered it.
The way you do that is by giving use immunity you bring back -- -- -- -- you say.
We promise you this is -- -- well whatever you say cannot be used against -- and criminal trial she will undoubtedly be.
Undoubtedly I think she's likely to be prosecuted.
-- she has every incentive to not only tell the truth but to tell the whole truth.
And that I think is all anybody wants to tell the truth.
-- people to speak without the fear prosecution.
And that's heaven is a public event with the -- -- judge.
-- be compelled to speak yes.
If she didn't hit against use immunity so -- get immunity you can't.
Playing -- -- -- you're not inconvenient news and how does that one thing is that that you know Charles mentioned a planted question from the IRS.
The the simple fact is we now know we we've we've heard this before but NBC the -- and NBC's actually reporting on two shows that sort of lead the balance in the mainstream media.
This we now know that this would run out of Washington that this wasn't run out of Cincinnati that the entire leaked cover story that -- -- tried you by being too cute by half.
We're back for fifths.
By doing in that Q&A thing that was all ruse it was all dishonest and the lie.
And the idea that anybody should be taking their word for it now.
I think it's ridiculous.
This is the kind of thing has to come out investigations.
I would like to know more about -- the adoption.
I'm angle on this that you know people claiming the adoption exemption were audited.
At a rate of 69%.
90% of them were asked for what were given strict scrutiny from the IRS.
That to me it's a sign of somebody a lot of strange ideological bias over there.
There are -- these horror story is that there should be still out in congress for a really long time you know Jay thanks so with that the IRS commissioner and going to the White House a 119 times -- all previous IRS commissioner went.
-- to -- and the Bush Administration.
To a 118 times and today we heard that part of that was to deal with this.
Kind of strange Star Trek video and they spend money on conferences talent that GSA guy in the bathtub.
With the only drank enough.
-- America -- angriest yet.
Anyway I think one it seems like it's I don't it seems that -- still -- gaining steam.
Well I've got to say I think.
And he represents a number of these folks who say that they.
Had been delayed number nobody has been denied anything it's a matter of the -- And so.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- No because you can function you can do it without IRS approval percent -- tabloid attention I don't know and some of them in fact were doing involved in political activities.
Without getting IRS approval they wanted to iris approval in order to have that -- that they were official and real.
And even more even more attractive to donors.
Who could do so anonymously so there were lots of reasons here after the Supreme Court case and citizens united for them to want the IRS approval -- Obama for.
A -- four action or Obama for America.
Organizing for America action.
Got it down and -- We typically -- weeks in the.
-- to mobilize people in anticipation of an election and you have.
That things delayed it's essentially being denied because if you deny it if you delay these things past the deadline of an actual election.
Even at the margins you're basically saying you can't get up and running for the whole purpose of why you wanna get up and running.
-- buccaneer jam in Orlando Florida says -- have a beer with you want.
Thank you Don and Florida those says I need to have a few Beers to listen to walk.
You get an apparent balance we appreciate your -- Kemper -- of Budweiser is kind of what I hear is that this Bud's for you yeah.
Yeah that's the union the united you know that's right it it felt like.
-- -- -- euros -- man asks why no segment on the queen of the Tea Party Bachmann.
And we did a piece on -- her she announces she's not running for reelection.
What about Michelle Bachmann and her.
Influence the fact that she's not running again and boy.
To watch another channel with four letters today it was the only story in Washington.
Well they have a say usually neglected -- avoided.
The scandal stories and apparently what I was reading their ratings -- the lowest in seven years.
Because if news is happening -- you avoided for ideological reasons.
People will watch you know the food channel and animal channel or -- watch us of course.
Consumer and in the -- news -- on Michelle Bachmann I'm not sure I understand.
Why I don't know -- that well.
A lot of people who decided after that many years in congress.
So that is as far as you can go and perhaps a presidential campaign -- one that is not successful.
Changes you when you get a different perspective.
Look she's extremely articulate she represents.
You know a strong constituency.
She can do a lot of stuff in life the way that Sarah Palin have a lot of opportunities after her run.
And you know being we're running every every two years for reelection in congress.
Too big of a treadmill.
I -- you have to remember that she won.
These straw poll in Iowa.
And she was at the beginning.
Looking pretty strong in in her bid -- And the presidential primary run in the Republicans party one.
What do you think happened and -- Do you think it's good for the Republican Party.
Well that's a tough one you know I mean just looking at it in terms of pure politics you have to say that you -- the grassroots of the part of the energizing base.
Was represented by Michelle Bachmann is -- -- of Sarah Palin Michelle Bachmann it's hard to say who was the leader of the Tea Party but.
In terms of the most prominent personalities that you would identify what that movement you have to put Michelle Bachmann in the upper tier.
And and in way I think Michelle Bachman suffered for that because she's become such a polarizing figure that now even in her district and I think she was surprised to win in that district in Minnesota.
That the woman who was the suburban housewife who adopted kids who was.
You know the wife of a doctor in such a lovely personality and -- a charming human being.
You know the lightning rod and I think that's why -- you she is that more political risk although she could get activists to come and work for her if she can get more money.
She also became someone they can be very easily.
She a lot of -- hear some from Minnesota saying that she became a lightning rod because.
The media went after just like they went after Sarah Palin Rick from Minnesota you know -- affected by the way the media attacked her.
The produce your notes that it's five letters stuff for.
Him -- and DC.
We've had math.
I'm -- -- -- I agree with some of the comments -- that he.
You know from -- respectively had to lover for her enemies and she made a lot of the right enemies.
But she also I think was undisciplined at times.
And she lent herself just.
To be Tom DeLay treatment to this -- -- in treatment.
And much of that was unfair.
Not all -- much of it was unfair and the problem is that at some point.
You hit this critical mass where you simply become the caricature that the media makes you into and in that sense I don't know that she was.
I'm all that effective anymore for the Republican Party I do know that the Democrats apparently are gonna plan -- still running against her you know she's leaving congress.
And it's worth at least noting that she was not.
-- I think she was effective for her own portfolio.
In terms of leaving -- a disciplined Tea Party caucus in the house she didn't do much of that and this may create an opportunity for someone else.
To try and do that in the Republican caucus which could.
Either be very good for conservatives or be another opportunity for people talk about -- disarray on the right Republican Party splitting and all that time will tell.
That last thing happened.
They're still running against Herbert Hoover that's true because you know a -- you know it's interesting comment from.
The email which said she's she was effective.
He may have been effective as a voice for the movement.
But in terms of congress you know I can't think of a bill that has Bachmann -- name on it I can't think of even in terms -- -- was referencing that Tea Party.
And her relationship with speaker Boehner these were not good she was not a leader in that conquers all in Columbus Indiana -- -- a conservative woman.
Who has not been attacked by the media.
Well -- well.
It's going all the way back I mean it is it's as if if you are conservative woman.
You are -- traitor -- your gender but it's Margaret Thatcher.
Did you know it's almost as if you want a woman if you're conservative because.
If you -- upholding all of the tenants of who are obviously left liberal in the feminism so I think that that really is true it's endemic in the media.
The assumption is unless you have.
You know you check off all the liberal ideological allegiances.
And you're a woman -- a -- Through Arizona says Elizabeth Dole.
Yeah yeah largely on -- although it come election time -- sure.
-- -- -- -- she was I'm not sure but I mean I think the part of the problem of this is that.
Name a prominent conservative who hasn't been attacked in the media and so there's going to be -- always going to be a subset of them who are women.
But -- -- Charlie is absolutely right now there was this famous line by Naomi Wolf the feminist.
In the new republic years ago who criticize Jeane Kirkpatrick for writing as if she didn't have a uterus as if that was like fair game.
And I remember immediately after.
Sarah Palin was nominated as that are picked as the VP.
A woman in Newsweek wrote.
That Sarah Pam perhaps Sarah Palin's greatest whose seat is the very pretense that she pretends to be a woman.
-- was a woman like for kids you know there's this idea that somehow to be authentic woman or an authentic African American you have to be.
You have the total on on these various ideological issues and I think it's.
Real problem you know once -- did sponsored legislation to repeal obamacare and -- eventually passed the house.
Arms are talking about something -- -- you know that he came to all amber yeah our I can't think of anything on it and here I would say there's there's a problem here.
First of all.
-- Our country getting embarking on the name of -- Republican woman who's in the house leadership but I don't think I can.
I can -- Washington State yet I can't I don't think she's been attacked.
And -- Rodgers but martial artist -- I think she's widely admired and taken seriously as a potential player -- -- you don't she's not high profile.
-- -- say the other part of this problem is -- something like only 8% of Republicans in the house are female.
And to me that's -- while you can come back Michelle -- we need woman you know come on what's going on here.
Okay Donna Florida's chances -- -- that you've had too many years yeah.
Being at an -- OK -- flopping on this he's.
You know do you think John Boehner looks at this is as a positive development for his caucus.
You think that this is taking some of the heat away from.
Know I would say probably yes I've -- usually yes easier to manage you have people who speak out and who are committed -- ideologically in a way that would not allow him to be flexible -- he thinks he has today.
-- they get along yeah I think that's what Nancy says when will fox learn it did not work in 2012 and will not work in 26 tees which seated.
I assume she means.
Moderate Republicans felt.
I don't know which it.
-- here a few characters here.
Jess in Georgia wants to know what I was looking at how to sometimes just gets mentioned question you played tetris I've.
And -- and add your comments yes.
Duncan says we will see this as a good thing Boehner will.
Four where he is speaking of -- a big piece.
This week in Politico about his power or lack of it.
What is the sense John Boehner do you do you get.
Where he is here job.
I think he's been billion and a very.
Difficult place for awhile now and that he's got a caucus.
Is a little.
It's too focused or by his likes to focus on and on ideological purity.
And he's got the problem having to deal with the fact that he can't possibly get anything through the senate -- their money immediately picked up by the senate.
And so you sort of gets caught in the switches.
I think that he's actually one of these guys who actually wants to get.
Legislation through and it's this sort of institutional and structurally -- the hard part plays from the big.
I know wants the job right now so what every week or not he's sort of this is.
He's just the arrow -- there.
Yeah he's doing relatively well I think a lot has changed since January 1 and -- in the debt ceiling debate.
And the fiscal cliff he had completely -- because.
-- and the party went over a cliff of the -- That that they were never able to actually deliver.
They -- a big lesson that the fiscal cliff and I think they're completely change your tactics.
Remember they went to Williamsburg for retreat.
And then decided that I think they would exchange for.
The debt ceiling.
Lifting -- simply the last of the senate passed a budget.
We -- is here approachable that kind of thing everybody would rally to achievable and they got it and that actually.
Was strategically and tactically a good thing for Republicans.
Democrats had to actually proposed stuff and defend and that was important.
And I think also on the sequestered they realized.
Why defend the administration on this except it.
It was a way to actually reduce spending and that is actually happen remarkably.
And let the administration play games as it did so tactically I think he succeeded on this question.
On the debt ceiling and I think they understand.
You don't fool around with something that you cannot deliver on and I think they're doing rather well.
-- Mitzi in Atlanta says please keep the heat on the thing Ghazi scandal.
And Jerry Ross -- and PR says come on Brett asked the panel where Hillary is these days.
-- -- I think she's plotting scheming -- getting her ducks a narrow focus -- -- issue gonna run for president and and I think she's watching Fox News quite a bit to see where the being -- -- is government.
We are doing.
Another hour -- promised that we would be.
Coming forward -- another hour on -- -- and we are in the process of putting that together with new information.
And some interest in things of next two weeks which can only get a date.
I hear that -- and she is in witness protection.
Hoping that the of the Amish community to lose track of where there has been gave -- -- terrorists.
Want as -- definitely I think she's run.
-- there's any question I mean we have to be that something negative.
Could be reporting here on them guys or something else would get and maybe outside of what started -- yeah I mean just look at the numbers is just overwhelming coming EUS to the point where among Democrats.
The people who would be her natural challengers the Andrew Cuomo for governor in New York Martin O'Malley in Maryland.
Vice President Biden they don't even have the money.
They without them donors won't it won't contributor campaign if Hillary -- so it's all about Hillary at this juncture now.
This could change you could see a younger woman Elizabeth Warren get involved you could see some people.
Who think that she is simply another moderate Democrat and they want a left -- -- someone to go battled over.
All that's you know if we are still far away but at this juncture I think it's all about.
Live -- Virginia asks we'll we'll all of this Ben Ghazi stuff affect her room.
Not at this point.
So at this point there's -- We don't know.
Hello we don't know about today.
The attack hello we don't know about who told her what -- Before the attack and who are we don't know about what -- what her -- was.
In the target boys we know -- surrogates.
Were deeply involved in that and in suppressing whenever.
Number two in Baghdad the Greg hicks would group with Greg hicks knew who we talked to so is accurate -- acting on their -- we don't know but I think it could be very damaged.
-- the house committee under Darrell ice investigating this has has subpoenaed now more documents from the White House from the State Department.
And it has called for.
A testimony from among others Victoria -- -- who was her spokesperson and Cheryl Mills I think Cheryl Mills her chief staff so.
You know one of the things they're looking at is in those emails were.
My building the leadership in my building is not happy with the talking points.
They -- -- know.
Was that Hillary Clinton right and what happened in between the times where they have emails come to Google phone call on them.
From the State Department leadership show.
There's you know that's the deadline for that is next Friday yet and there.
Look there's a lot of unknown -- of -- and Don Rumsfeld guy but there are a lot of unknown unknowns right and it's -- me no one thinks there always is being driven by politics and even start that way because -- was doing this about Hillary Clinton's run for the president when.
This happened in September of 2012.
And it still seems to me -- completely legitimate function of congress.
To find out what all the facts are and since new facts keep popping up people who say we know everything.
Lose credibility every time and in fact comes up when there's whether it's IRS RX.
The AP James Rosen stuff for whether it's announced.
And you're convinced there's no shoe here to drop on the gas.
No what I said whereas I don't think if there's anything so far that aspect that would somehow complicate a political bid by Hillary Clinton.
What about the fact that she tells.
The father -- woods we're going to get that guy who made that video at the at the funeral service set memorial services at Dover -- in front of those -- she says we're gonna get together did that video and they did get together.
He did that's didn't have anything to do with.
I'm not sure that you believe that at that time anymore we know from intelligence is they thought it contributed to an environment and they weren't sure exactly how much or how little she talked to Greg hicks she -- your -- -- correctly and -- said there was an al-Qaeda have been.
Good -- to attack program were under attack by which -- ones that was one man's voice and what you heard from overall intelligence and remember even in CIA.
State Department coming down back and forth.
There's all this talk about the video no there's not Perez is not one mention of the video not in you're talking about the emails necessarily don't know I'm talking about when they are going back and forth.
When you have state initially dealing with this problem.
Before the emails about the talking points they are you saying is this linked to what we're what is this you know we don't know what this -- -- Look at this is what they called on the Watergate years again I don't -- -- say it is but it's going to pulling on the strength.
There are a lot of strings hanging out here and there are a lot of questions it's not just sufficient experience these zoological issues I would call them.
There -- stuff we we should know there are gaps we can look at.
That nobody will tell us about and I think as we learn about it he could be a major scandal it could be.
Here's the irony of it it could be people at the beginning before.
Made -- about what was needed and security on this committee misjudged definitively that's an AA RB which the White House you know you can say all right and then made a bad call -- -- -- you know it's going to be even -- And not an attack in Cairo or somewhere else -- you can it's so there's no crime underlines.
But he noted that there is neglect could dereliction yes.
The second part is when I'm concerned about the eight hours.
The fact that there doesn't seem to have been anything seriously considered and again I swear it was a present wouldn't be welcome in -- -- order.
Dan -- says that's irrelevant where he was inside the White House and that.
Your right raises questions about strange answers too easy questions that is actually the beginning of of Woodward and Bernstein they didn't know what they had I'm not saying this is the same but they didn't know what they have but they knew that he wore answered questions very strangely they were ten they were not.
-- coming forward with things that should have been simple.
The first killing of an ambassador.
In three decades only the sixth in American history the -- going on they're desperately asking for help.
The president is not in the situation room he isn't on the phone with his second -- defense as a former president has said about it.
The only person who can really move troops is the commander in chief.
Can only that but -- it comes down this cross border authority.
See be exactly as your president is the only one that can authorize US forces to go into a foreign nation like he didn't Pakistan against -- of the month.
It's only the president can do that here is that they've not yet done that night.
There's one of -- -- big -- it's and I think you know we all don't talk about very much.
But it looks more and more that what was going on and then guys who was CIA operation and that.
The State Department mission there the council repair whatever it was really just a side show.
And we don't know what was going on in that -- -- we don't know why it was so loaded with people we don't know why they all you know -- the airport numbers that surprised everybody including the government of Libya we don't know these things.
I'm not sure that the government wants to tell us those things any could be that it's again national security.
And if you knew that.
It has no -- question.
Why was in the present on top of this whether I lowered our -- was tough because there's no evidence he can speak.
How can you go the eight hours of a fight he's in that situation room for the whole time have been library yes because you know he's on cameras in the glorious thing.
All right so here he is he doesn't speak of secretary of defense he doesn't -- -- the head of the CIA if it is -- CIA operation as you imply.
He doesn't speak to the chairman of the joint chiefs in the entire eight hours.
He's a commander in chief and people -- under fire some of them -- -- It's just an answer that question this right they would do very well Zamboni on -- thing just this cross border authorities only the president can order it.
It didn't get ordered that night why did it wasn't requested -- Well they all of the military that was operating under let's get a plan to rescue these guys from what we know what we know an -- on hand him in Africa command was.
We didn't want to do we we can't we don't see how that we're gonna go in there and happily that doesn't mix then it won't tell -- unsanitary.
I had eight but the report.
Again this is an unknown took two years are now right.
We can say there was no request to the president.
Because I don't know that -- OK lots what is the general has -- That's what they said the military says it doesn't make sense because military's instinct is always to get them to.
Not let someone.
Be out there and not trying to rescue them that's it.
Or -- to help in the fight -- let's say I mean if the president did not get her request.
I don't I don't understand what you -- Two things one we were talking macro cross border -- terms of sending in troops are sending an arms that's only the president's right to do.
So they would have had to have been some communication from the folks and Italy -- the folks in Africa saying.
President we think we can have a positive outcome by sending an additional -- don't.
Think somebody go to the president or that the president be brought into that conversation the second thing to say he meets with secretary -- -- -- meets with the chairman of the joint chiefs at 5 PM.
Right we are said to believe that he told them to do everything they can correct that's what this would sit on the recommending most of them I don't know what happened but I don't make any assumptions I know you like to deride him but I just don't see -- -- -- it's not hard to tell us where he -- -- we talked to what -- -- why I look I don't know that it -- -- big difference what I -- does make -- difference is that -- -- what we -- during the testimony -- mr.
That he wanted to have some kind of military presence from -- who were right there with him in Tripoli golf over -- -- -- the and at that point that we have a conversation of what does stand down mean.
That they were told demo we don't know what we're standing UNC we don't know how difficult it might be if -- cross border authority has not issued its essentially sent.
Because -- -- across the border if the people are in handling yeah that's what a special forces then they're told separately.
Don't go to big -- that's what they were and that is what the -- so who ordered that wars ago.
We're gonna continue to look into it.
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