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Published reports say no prosecutorial action was taken and none is contemplated again based on my reading of reports so.
It seems self evident that that charges.
Inaccurate and the bat.
It was one Jay Carney the white house Press Secretary saying that he doesn't know anything about what Eric Holder had to say or what happened at the Justice Department but.
If he didn't know something you would know that the Republican charge that the attorney general perjured himself as it relates to one James Rosen is inaccurate.
And this is power play and I am in fact Chris style that that remains true today.
And we'll talk about.
Whether or not doctor holder can ride out the subpoena storm that currently is buffeting.
His general -- we will do that.
We will also talked about at the IRS.
There's new poll that suggested Americans overwhelmingly would like to see a special prosecutor.
Most Americans would probably like to see anything bad -- mean down to the IRS but it seems that in this case there particularly.
He can't as it relates to wanting the IRS investigated.
And we will also we will also.
Have -- there can you imagine -- good fortune that you would have Bret -- to talk to you today we wouldn't.
So I promise that but I promise that your good fortune will begin its that you will not wait to be -- Because certainly because AB Stoddard who is a columnist and associate editor for that bill.
And has so actually freshly within the hour.
Posted a column though about the attorney general and -- circumstance.
Also you know to like to do and and and he -- me.
And -- the person I'd like you to meet today is -- -- he is.
The proprietor for.
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That's right around when he's sixteen -- you yes.
And David we're not going to ask you how Eric Holder sweet sixteen chances look.
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-- -- Not having a great week or month putting thirteen -- Pittsburgh.
No I think what's interesting is that you know Democrats on the record saying that there.
-- not so sure that he perjured himself as Republicans.
In the house.
Are investigating the possibility but certainly it it is certainly did their very upset with the hear about the tactics that the Department of Justice -- and -- -- at the First Amendment.
-- has been annihilated him here nervous about what's going on and they're saying and on the record so that is.
Any indication of what we're all hearing privately which is that the combination of these scandals.
And now -- -- holders and admitted.
Roll -- personal role in in one of them in in search warrant for sheen's residence.
I'm communications that they wanted to last for very long period of time if not years because it is essential criminal.
It criminally involved in a criminal investigation and co conspirator everything else and it's very hard for Democrats defend him so.
She is now.
To potential perjury charge.
Did the fact that -- there's this it's been -- That scandal that he is implicated himself in.
And and and all of -- the fact that the fact that he asked a police investigations into the IRS scandal as well as.
The snooping on journalists scandal he found his responses to hold coffee.
With the top leaders of the nation's greatest news terms I don't know that that's really gonna help him out of this hole.
How about that.
David the on them the the issues still hanging fire if you'll pardon the term the some news outlets Politico.
We're definitely gonna go to this off the record -- we do it all the time we meet with people off the records that we don't see any problem with doing this off the record.
The New York Times.
The Associated Press Huffington Post CNN.
Have said you know what you are the -- We may have been the target of your investigation but -- you're the target of our investigations -- gonna go happening off the record discussions about this the Fox News Channel has not announced.
-- what it will do so let's leave that aside if you don't mind and with this question for holder.
What does he want to get out of these press meetings that they be referred to well I think he wants it to clear the air here and sort of distance himself as much as possible from what happened look.
It's hard for me understand how he can reconcile.
His -- fifteen statement.
Up on the hill where he said he had nothing to do with it had had no knowledge and didn't think it was wise policy.
And then you have law enforcement officials.
Talking to reporters now the last 45 days to multiple outlets saying that he indeed you know approved the search warrant.
That that basically when it is James -- -- emails I think a lot of reporters -- to know you know.
What was the deal here how what did you really know did you really OK it is how much information did you have.
Militant as far as that the off the record meetings go.
Course reporters and Argentinian meat off the record all of this time in this town this interviews -- directed.
Happens all the time in coffee shops at bar is right in newsrooms.
But you know this is that this is an interest in Alford journalists.
-- because they they feel like they've been you know basically -- down by by holder and they don't they don't really trust him and now they want.
You know they want -- on -- open because they don't they don't really trust what they've been told so far so when you've been lied to me.
Just as you know eighty -- talk about this you've you've ever burned by sewers threat that you don't go off the record -- more to give it to the attorney general's where requests actually helping craft new rules.
But it is also worth pointing out that the previous rules were not -- Right that's true.
I'm only grand looking at not looking at a new rules.
Certain changes that that -- a geneticist at his apartment and you calling your senators and saying look you know privately I know that the damage in China under I appreciate the damage that was done here and we're gonna push for shield -- we're gonna get all.
You know -- -- on this is is a way of changing the topic it's it's a really a way of of trying to change.
That that the subject away from the fact that didn't -- perjury investigation is the newest wrinkle after we read in The New Yorker on Tuesday.
That judges that that.
That he is that the department -- the search warrant from were eager to it impress upon.
And US attorneys that that that it sooner or later that would -- -- revealed to the subject to change -- would have to know that Google had turned -- emails.
And they went to three separate judges because they didn't want to present ever -- I mean there's really no -- Eric Holder is complicit in this she's going to be to put it like I said the commander of all these investigations.
It -- is there enough confidence now from the president.
And from the congress and Eric holder's ability to police those investigations and I think the answer is.
I don't know how it could be -- I would -- you know.
You know and I did a good thing about it is you mean there are a lot of -- -- -- here when good things that -- crash.
She's question because we will -- be talking today about the ability of the attorney general to investigate the IRS tax.
He doesn't have a lot of standing right now and the and the problem.
Date for the administration it is certain.
You want to tell the American people if -- the president I've been on level with you we've done everything we can't remedy this this was not me.
These were misdeeds.
Perhaps but they were done at a lower level.
A US attorney here are some folks -- this as -- IRS office there a spokeswoman at the State Department whatever this was not me.
But over time this increased to handle longer that this goes on without people feeling satisfaction.
This equates to him doesn't show.
-- distracts from his other urgent agenda in a major portion -- talking about.
Immigration today we're talking about -- green jobs -- but the one thing I would say is we've seen no indication from the White House.
Our President Obama he's distancing himself from Eric Holder -- just sort of in just its -- history here.
Attorney generals are largely.
Who dared to take flat of the president I mean historically the attorney general is controversial figure on that sort of you know.
Case that the shoulder of the presidencies.
You know flaws look at what happened with the -- controversial John Ashcroft.
Sort of a shorter shelf life -- fresh asparagus thanks -- the way that you -- said.
But -- wisdom that to have your wisdom is.
So we are we are grateful for -- should you sharing so -- and -- the Internet I think was quite thrilled that you hear bits of the combatants -- that's.
-- may -- doesn't have interest because I call her crying if she does she's.
That's how that -- the guys we thank you for your time okay here's what we're gonna do.
We're gonna go take a quick break -- you can collect yourself yes you need a moment it breath.
-- when we come back we will do this we'll talk about the IRS and how many of you think it's time for a special prosecutor.
-- -- including among Democrats will talk about that when we come back so stick around.
I'm not into any questions or testify about the subject matter of the city's leading.
You know at that time I am not aware of that.
I don't know I have no memory of anyone doing that I didn't know that cannot.
-- That was far less than I thought.
An ad from Kentucky senator also senate majority minority leader Mitch McConnell.
In which he casts in a political intrigue -- summer blockbuster.
As the folks from the IRS in the Obama administration.
Republicans believe that this story this scandal is just getting it's legs.
May have a long way to go with it as McConnell.
And his -- such as for a second term but to be the majority leader -- -- -- on that this power play so.
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And he's a former Press Secretary for the National Republican Congressional Committee.
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Quinnipiac University -- -- on Eric holder's job approval.
Approve of the job he's doing 39% disapprove.
Don't know as 38% don't know it's pretty typical because most people.
Don't know who the -- not most people body a healthy chunk of Americans can be excused for not knowing or caring regularly through the attorney general of the United States says.
But that's still low approval and when they when they shrank the universe of people.
To those who were aware of just the -- that was staples in the field before.
But -- -- limited pool who knew about it the his disapproval shot up to like 52%.
This guy's gonna investigate the IRS seriously.
The Justice Department the justice is finally got to do -- is cool the IRS is a -- back along with four other committees.
We already saw the inspector general's report on -- there are a lot of angles from which this is being investigated more I don't doubt that but if I was Barack Obama.
Wouldn't I want to say that I have let slip a pit bull to go -- into the IRS root out all the wrongdoing I wouldn't you want to four.
Even even just for the sake -- -- here instance even for the sake even appearances out and wouldn't you any politician wanna say.
I had let loose hell on this IRS and I don't know what's gonna -- you wouldn't say.
Their oldest and my guess the guy that I appointed is gonna take care of investing -- the agency led by -- to point.
You'd expect him in indignation I mean anything you think they meant alienating an -- poetic is -- that because there was allegations he's in his first statement -- yes absolutely -- illegal while -- senators that -- they're trying to resume anytime you attach the IRS any kind of scandals couldn't -- am -- -- -- the public wants a special prosecutor on this subject completely independent of the agency to actually bring that up yes but -- -- -- question.
You know Mike Nelson as a question of popularity of the Tea Party was now.
Unfavorably of 43% here.
But I -- I -- to you what if that everybody was in charge of investigating the IRS people might not like that -- -- But here is a question of special prosecutor for the IRS you do you think there ought to -- one yes sat in -- 6%.
-- David -- -- some of those people -- may not even know -- the -- this but -- the question prosecutor for the IRS it's like heck -- -- -- -- -- -- a special.
I think if you had in the question which I don't think they did.
Did you knows that.
There's been an inspector general.
Do you know that the commissioner has left or resigned.
That there's a new commission and place the Treasury Secretary is looking into the Justice Department subpoena and four committees if -- knew that.
What are we doing lane let layering over.
Piece of investigation when you have.
Have it coming from all sides are ready and it's not just a matter of Eric Holder it is the Justice Department and the inspector general's report.
And congressional committees and oversight so this is covered in -- -- -- -- The question is about political utility that's true.
And for the president he needs to be able to say that he has has spared no effort.
In going after the IRS right which is what she's done both in lieu of taking the resignation as the Q what would -- then say and that's why I have asked.
This -- this live as Dick Thornburgh or whatever Republican of high repute.
-- -- not a bomb thrower I'm not we're not saying put Ted Cruz in charge but I'm saying not -- no offense looks happy I didn't mean anything -- that but did the best Thornburgh on a mild to moderate kind of Republican.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- Is this is not been some precipitous drop off for the president.
But as your time at the last time.
When you have a problem here when your attorney -- rating is here in the IRS's here and you see all your ratings around you for a while the center -- -- but eventually that stuff comes to the accent on the.
The other thing about this is this isn't a particularly public this is -- like Whitewater where you have no idea what the actually have a picture yet this is that this is something it's very very and it's it's it's easy to understand.
You had a president who is who is making a losing -- nonprofit groups were threats democracy you have democratic senators look -- it's.
Obviously the president and any any -- this thing and -- -- a democratic senators and sending letters sternly worded letters to the IRS thing investigate these groups and improve within a month these investigations start happening.
It's not a difficult thing -- to understand when you attach the IRS you know being sick on -- on on the administration's political opponents we're seeing a very serious -- -- -- -- No evidence of that.
There may be -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- there that we're may have been just as there were questions being raised by you Republicans.
On the IRS or whatever you had the IRS being a focal point to the emergence of these 501 -- in Tuscaloosa OK okay.
-- -- With the white plastic that we will not that.
That will not be settled today but the game will be fun to watch for sure and by consequence of the gentleman that was consequential -- here today.
-- You know what that what power plays eldest man child sets.
He corrected me one time when he pointed out that there may not -- fox fox but there's a -- box back there so we'll talk to him when we come back system.
That is a show of support for Syria's Bashar -- it's -- The -- -- Hezbollah folks there in Lebanon I guess has the lights Hezbollah is and this is power play.
And welcome back.
And we are I think probably going to be able to talk about the question of Syria heading into what now could be a three way civil war between -- white actions led by sides government.
And islamists and more radical islamists and all of that.
And I wanted to do that because -- -- here.
There's been reports he is also one of the most knowledgeable folks Washington as it comes to foreign affairs foreign relations etc.
But before we do brother bear you have some news you can tell him.
Our executive vice president -- fox my comment is decided that had that decision that fox will not.
Attend the Eric Holder DOJ meeting if it is off the record so we will join.
This was impressed the new -- times I think CNN now.
Saying if it's off the record.
Fox will not attack and if it's on the record.
So Politico gets extra bottled water and chocolate chip cookies because it looks like so far there are they the only ones I think now ABC said they -- and as well the Washington Post -- Washington Post that's.
I think you Politico a Washington Post ABC so far saying it will go to the meeting we have New York Times.
BP stocks -- CNN's and they won't go in the Huffington Post and having to post if it's off the record so.
You know this is -- you don't inching back and forth and it's a dynamic that.
You know clearly the Justice Department wants to reach out and wants to talk about the way forward.
There are a lot of questions that have to be answered us.
Well there's a lot of questions and there's also the challenge from a journalistic perspective here where.
And political made this point.
We always off the record is not a it and is increasingly common.
Off the record used to be sort of page.
A rare thing now is fairly common.
But certainly news executives need.
Not for reporting with that agencies and people that -- deal with -- come up with ground rules -- -- that that's not like an unheard of -- what makes this different is that there's a live chamber in the -- there's a live round in the chamber there's an actual event you know they investigated as we're investigating them.
And backing for the -- Yes and you know it's there's the process here and they could go to the meeting it's all off the record you are strictly.
Unable to report what is -- inside that meeting.
If you agree to those terms.
There's nothing to prevent justice learned them from coming out and saying we had a great meeting -- -- -- -- -- wonderful loved it every piece of it it was page looking ahead then you're wonderful and then really as you've agreed to these off the record guidelines candidate in character I think about it but.
Listen that's a decision that's been made and we are it's gonna stick to that hopefully they'll love at least -- portion of that -- do -- -- on the record.
You know what when -- gonna get serious serious and it's not going to happen.
We're going we're going to let -- we're gonna let Syria go for now.
It is a big story that it's it's a huge story and what I was going to say is I -- you'll have something about it tonight -- -- we will.
A couple of reports and -- panel.
And and we tell us who's on appointment Hewitt are you at liberty to -- -- manager oh here's a big part of it and Charles scrap.
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