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Hi -- Bill O'Reilly thanks for watching us and I it is they're now a smoking gun in the IRS scandal that is the subject of this evening's talking points memo.
We do expect criminal charges be leveled against some people working in the IRS because they abuse their power by targeting conservative groups and individuals.
But the major question remains on answer.
Did the campaign of intimidation.
Come from the White House well today there is disturbing information.
This man former IRS commissioner -- -- -- visited the White House ready a 157.
By comparison then secretary of state Hillary Clinton went to the White House 43 times then CIA director Leon Panetta.
So what the heck.
Schulman doing at the white house -- that kind of frequency.
In his testimony before congress Schulman was a wise guy.
There might be many reasons you would be at the White House.
What would be some of the reasons you might be -- at the white house on.
The Easter egg roll.
-- my kids.
-- you -- you know what you can do with your Easter.
Must explain under -- what you.
Were doing at the white house on a 157 separate occasions.
While many Americans don't you know understand the seriousness of the -- -- situation those who love the country do.
You cannot have an agency.
That has the power.
To put Americans in prison to take their money to literally ruin their lives persecuting people for political reasons.
That's what they do in China that's what they do when Cuba.
We do not do that here.
The president of the United States should explain tomorrow.
Schulman was -- -- at the White House almost ups.
And any federal employee involved in helping that man showman.
Should be immediately fired and prosecuted.
Talking points also calls upon the Democratic Party to stop the nonsense this is serious business.
There's no way on earth -- -- -- should not have to explain in detail.
What he did is -- -- -- IRS.
To -- we call upon President Obama.
To clarify the situation.
Make showman testify.
As soon as possible.
That's memo -- off the top story tonight joining us from Houston the former head of the IRS and the president book Mark Peterson.
How long were -- the IRS chief.
Bill just over four years from may have votes start of may -- three to the end of may in 07 how many times did you go to the -- yes.
You know I don't have a precise number my wife at the time is marriage actually worked on out it's also staff sometimes I would done on the -- -- -- -- liar as visits how many times right.
Oh I testified last year before I -- that this committee that I only went over there to my recollection once on a policy matter and interagency policy not -- -- -- -- to talk about immigration.
If you get to this question Dave let me just -- -- say one -- just to start off yet how saddened and disturbed I am by.
All of what's come out the.
Let's get to that in my head as you let let's get to the -- -- let's stay in -- factual -- gives you better than anyone -- -- know what the job it all right you went over there wants to talk about some immigration thing.
Did you talk on the phone with President Bush or his top lieutenants about IRS policy.
Not about IRS policy and I never had -- -- -- nobody at the right and I said no you know mystery person we want you to take a look at this group we're backed group or anything like that nobody ever did that.
No and let me just say this I worked for most of my tenure I work for John Snow and I was right Arizona dramatically.
Exactly okay and we never had conversations about it for some matters about jeez would you look at -- -- not -- -- that right now people were scrupulous and guys if they were scrupulous about.
Not trying to influence our enforcement -- It's okay.
Did you as a head of the IRS -- any department.
And in not Phoenix Arizona -- in Anchorage Alaska and say look into this group.
No but -- what we did do at the time was -- we had to you may remember this bill in the 04 in the 06 election cycle.
There were allegations that -- threes in churches were organized seeing on the conservative side in Ohio.
And they're always allegations that inner city churches are.
Politicking for the democratic side.
I did commission.
A special unit within this same tax exempt group.
To look at these allegations and what I found what I find -- is so disturbing about the current situation is.
We schooled up a group and they took a look at these activities is not the front end process.
The determinations of what happens in Cincinnati is they look at these applications for exempt status when they come in what I'm talking about his complaints that came in.
That they were caught violating my ticket after the fact and that's -- Dyer got tested do.
But you -- you're an -- in order anybody.
So locked you know this person view I don't like their politics and take a look at them see the -- of course not.
Well let's say of course not but that's what's in play now.
That's exactly what's in play now so here's my next question for you -- -- A 157.
Time showman you know this -- He goes over there.
Because you know the job.
Is there any thing on earth that you get him in that White House a 157 times can you give me any reason.
Why I think he bungled this question badly but I don't know when you use your opinion that nobody is there anything that would derive an IRS commissioner all part of the White House 157 thought.
Well the administration was considering tax reform and also health care win which the service as a major role.
So this service needs to be part of conversations.
About what is gonna happen if that walk if if that bill becomes law so that's totally legitimate but what I did do bills last -- testify before the -- committee.
And I expressed a concern about the service being wrapped up.
In the Affordable Care Act because.
Just the conversation we're having right now it can create a perception.
That the IRS is duties his.
Have not somehow change to such a degree that they lose there historic independence and every commission knows once you walk in those doors at 1111.
Constitution you've got to assume a total independence so that -- -- -- -- only thing.
-- and mr.
There were a legitimate issues that had to be discussed because of the implementation of Obama care.
And other re absolutely.
But just keep your mind just keep in mind this feverish and I'll give you the last -- the secretary of state and the secretary of defense slash CIA chief.
We're in there twelve.
Only 20% of the time that he was in there had no other official came even close to him.
So to me it's at the.
I had -- -- not that that's an unusual fact pattern.
Though that's the understatement of the century history of its and we appreciate your board of you thanks very much -- on the right.
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