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How I'm let me pick up -- where is talking with congressman Allen west and whether or not you think that did -- general Eric Cole holder will survive.
You know I'm not certain he will.
-- so meeting he has tomorrow is clearly an attempt to.
You know as a PR gesture more than it's a substantive gesture and I don't think it's gonna repair his relationship with impressive nor is -- gonna give the American people.
Greater confidence in his veracity I mean we even if if this was the first time that we had had questions about his ability to do the job and be one thing.
But but it's not we've had many questions from fast and furious.
To his handling of that it new Black Panther Party case.
To live and handle you know by the justice department of the Saint Paul -- -- housing disparity case.
And now this and a variety of other issues and just as as is president Obama's ill served by keeping him there they need to find a way to have you know.
You know what's so disappointing -- for me know -- to watch him because that would -- and I knew Eric Holder back twenty some years ago when he was a judge -- the superior court of the District of Columbia and I will tell you he was a very well respected judge he was always courteous to both sides of the with the lawyers the prosecutors defense lawyers.
Here's respectful to clients to me actually had it incredible reputation as a judge and now fast forward -- now and it seems like it's one blunder after another.
Yeah well sometimes people are in the wrong place and I think he's in our -- place it may have been an admirable judge but he has been an ineffective disorganized.
Attorney general who's made very bad decisions and demonstrated very bad judgment.
And this this meeting tomorrow is look this a real problem I mean first call.
You're you're you're supposedly trying to meet -- news organizations to discuss the -- the Justice Department guidelines regarding.
Investigative journalist and you will not allow them to bring their lawyers fueling -- -- with the bureau chiefs who affect news.
You know that he -- not the management.
You know there was a very interesting piece today by Ron Fournier who is.
Who has at the Associated Press covered the bush White House and very tough but fair reporter out -- National Journal and he made some very good points about this and didn't meeting.
Then there wasn't in the interest of either holder nor was it in the interest of the media do -- said look.
Anybody who shows up -- this is just gonna simply add to the sense that the media are lap dogs in the tank for the administration.
Lady what kind of conflict is it going to be to have the editor.
Of that -- love the bureau chief there with reporters are not there who are the people charged with finding out what's in the meeting.
You know the irony of the attorney general saying -- you know I'm -- investigate myself.
And I want you to come and talk to me about the guidelines but we gotta keep it all secret.
So -- hate me and had some very tough language about how no self respecting journalist ought to be.
How to be attending this meeting.
I tell you what I think is is we have -- and we also look at -- -- from the -- different thought you know different perspective.
I think what's what's particularly deeply disturbing to me is on May thirteenth.
The information came out about the Associated Press -- two days later he testifies before the committee.
Any any makes a statement that at best is misleading at worst was just a lie because and we learn a couple days later but James Rosen.
That to me for the attorney general of the United States without further explanation you know is is deeply disturbing he needs that he needs to make a real fast trip -- -- Capitol Hill and if there's an explanation.
He's so laid out for the American people well it it no -- Yet Greta did their did it you're right there was -- their time for a fast return to the White House but we are now on the thirtieth.
Maybe you're right he went up and -- and in front of the house judiciary committee on the fifteenth.
Basically said I've never been involved in anything like this and it they'd be bad policy it was that weekend.
That NBC -- Mike is it cost.
Broke that he had been.
The person who had authorized.
-- subpoena on -- If it what he should have done is gone back up on Monday and say I need to set the record straight but instead what we get as we get an entire week in which he silent.
Then we get him supposedly reading the warship post story just this Monday and showing quote remorse is starting to feel bad about it.
And we have yet to hear him clean it up with the congress and not only that but he's also dragging the White House down with him.
We had this thing yesterday with James Carney.
Who had to sit there and say.
Who had to sit parents say that.
-- -- no conflict between what holder -- on the fifteenth.
And it will be his actions earlier in the rose an affair and then the classic was he got pressed earlier in them in the in the briefing on it.
And he said you're complaining a subpoena with prosecution now -- would -- -- for a moment about what he's trying to suggest there is trying to suggest yes we can in seeking a subpoena.
Declared that somebody is a criminal -- are part of a criminal conspiracy.
But but we really didn't mean it because the only way we'd really mean is if we actually accuse them of that and a prosecution.
Now you know what in essence what he said was we were either lie and to the judge in order to get a subpoena we should otherwise.
Approved getting -- -- to prove that we should otherwise gotten or.
We were just we were getting ready to be should -- is responsible lest we actually decided to follow through on about prosecuting James Rosen so.
Mean the White House is being forced to defend this guy and at some point the president's got to say look I love holder he's my friend -- -- -- Padre he's my run embody.
But he is he's hurting me and he's hurting our administration and he's hurting the country and it's time for him to go.
And I -- and and as stuck -- needs to tell us you know Diddy -- lie -- -- about you know before congress because that that's you know.
That's unforgivable he -- let me -- let's.
There's only two explanations he lied or he has one of the worst memories and history.
Yeah there are only two explanations now they try to dig it they try to get this varies is sophisticated one that no he was really answering -- population and paying jobs -- With a distant did not edition this guy and it's just impossible.
It's impossible not remember.
Going after the records of the media it's just impossible for the turned down because then it is impossible that I grew up.
Anyway because I -- same reaction.
Guy and -- right.
I had the same reaction when he talked about fast and furious and said he was not aware of it and we know a lot of paper across the desk and his chief of staff.
And he claim never to know about it so either he was lying then or he was incompetent and not -- -- you're right -- -- -- I just cannot believe.
That having signed off on that subpoena and having supposedly lived up to the guidelines of the justices.
Department of doing so they would not be able to recall it.
Trusted -- we have much -- talk about -- Lesson that -- former IRS commissioner Doug Schulman says he never spoke to anyone in the Obama administration about the targeting investigation at the IRS but he -- visit the White House at least 157.
That is way way more than any other cabinet member.
Of course he would need to meet with White House staffers about rolling out obamacare but even HHS secretary Kathleen severely -- visited the White House only at 48 times it's a third less -- as often as former IRS chief showman.
Karl Rove is still with us car I'm you know I know -- the IRS chief had to go talk about the implement it implementation of Obama care.
Through the IRS but 157 times -- severe so -- 47 Hillary Clinton only 43 secretaries day.
-- thoughts about this -- should we be suspicious or curious.
We should be very curious and very suspicious -- curious because that's an odd number of times I mean I was in the White House for nearly seven years.
Marquis person he used to be over -- I believe I once he went to the IRS -- never saw him again I mean -- He's on record saying he came to the White House one time when he was IRS commissioner so the idea that the IRS commissioner is coming -- the White House every nine days.
Ought to raise warning flags right off the bat because there's an independent agency that needs to have distance.
From the White House and should be you know part of the White House it should be distant from the white as we know what's happened.
Before the White House has gotten too close to the IRS the IRS has gotten to close the White House.
We should also be very dubious about this because of the way that mr.
-- would handle it when he was asked in front of congress.
At that time they knew about a 118.
Appearances at the White House.
He responded this award what are we doing there in his first response was while the Easter egg roll well that's not a very you know good waited too.
Explain why you're there every nine days.
During your tenure as IRS commissioner for nearly four years so I'm I'm very dubious about this I think this is a question that we need to have.
A lot of answers to and the answers you're going to be difficult because this is the point at which the White House is going to assert executive privilege and say.
He was inside the White House giving policy advice as part of the White House policy process and that's not your business congress what that was -- in this instance.
I think that perception of White House involvement in this is gonna require.
The White House going a little bit further than they might otherwise be inclined to go.
Before we want to one other issue I would not say that I would not be very very curious if it weren't for the fact that.
If if us secretary of health of health and HHS -- -- really -- head about the same number of visits.
I would not be suspicious because -- would need to work together -- this implementation but the disparities -- we -- -- now we go to Dick Durbin Dick -- have investigated your cellar to the IRS about your company Renault voted -- of our common Wall Street Journal.
-- should be for Dick Durbin.
Well my -- Dick Durbin as he went on FOX News Sunday and Chris Wallace asking the question which was in.
October on October 10 2010 you wrote a letter Dick -- to the IRS demanding that they investigate and crossroads GPS a conservative.
And Dick Durbin to his credit didn't -- like a lot of these other Democrats are he said yeah -- I admit I asked the IRS to target a conservative group.
And that Chris followed up and so why did you mention any liberal groups in hand and -- Durban.
Had this laughable response which was to say well I thought that if the IRS investigated crossroads GPS all the rest of them.
Would get the would get the message and look in -- that's simply not true if if the IRS was investigating.
Crossroads GPS a conservative 501 C four groups -- I helped organize are encouraged its organization.
And I help raise money -- -- as a volunteer.
The only people laugh and would be liberal 501 C force who have been operating for decades in exactly the way the crossroads GPS did.
And and Durbin was CO Durbin had no real good defense and it was clear he wanted to target crossroads because we're conservative group.
And he's a liberal he said well we're you know they they read their boasted about raising a lot of money let's simply not true the only thing.
In the fall of 2010 -- came close to me boasted about the money that GPS was raising was on October 13.
After he sent his letter to the IRS two days after he sent the letter to the IRS.
I wrote -- on Wall Street Journal column and after President Obama had attacked our group as a threat to democracy.
American crossroads and crossroads GPS -- -- fourteen million dollars and two weeks.
And and that's you know look.
The Democrats have had these kind of groups around forever and they did not complain when the NAACP voter -- of the -- -- -- connected with the Sierra Club Planned Parenthood.
National Abortion Rights Action League leading conservation voters wilderness society's defenders of wilderness vote -- -- on and on and on they've never criticized him.
And in fact one of these groups was formed by NA did did did Durbin Bill Burton who -- priorities USA and I never Durbin complain about that in the -- cell.
Other mainland should blow the big question whether -- -- of the IRS about about that group priorities but anyway thank you crowd got a guy did.
You -- thank you.