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Let's bring added I'm going higher rest profiling scandal some new questions surrounding the former commissioner Douglas -- -- his frequent visits to the Obama White House feeling concerns about.
Whether the administration.
And administration officials were somehow behind IRS is targeting of conservative groups.
But Wall Street Journal -- is taking in and says this scandal is about much more.
Then just a personal vendetta she writes quote.
It wasn't so one off it wasn't a president losing his temper with some steel executives there.
Was no enemies list unless you consider half the country to be your enemies joining us now Karl Rove former senior advisor.
And deputy chief of staff to president George W.
Bush and Fox News contributors so Karl -- goes on to write that beyond the politics of this all.
That this kind of scandal and these are her words.
Can kill a country.
How would you describe the stakes here.
Well they are high because.
But we don't have any evidence that somebody in the -- has picked up the phone and called somebody and said do this but we do know this.
That that -- the people at the top set the tone and the president in 2010 was excoriating Tea Party groups and 501 C four conservative groups.
He was calling for example a threat to democracy that's his quote.
We know that we had the chairman of the Senate Finance Committee Democrat Max Baucus of Montana.
Writing a letter demanding the IRS investigate conservative groups we had the assistant majority leader.
Dick Durbin of Illinois picking out one group that I was associated with crossroads GPS.
And saying to the IRS investigate this group we had Chuck Schumer -- getting a letter put together by a variety of Democrats six other Democrats saying.
Investigate conservative groups we had Schumer -- congressman Pete well -- well Welch of Vermont.
Two put together a list of a hundred some -- Democrats in the house saint investigate conservative groups.
And we even had Carl Levin said in a series of letters and meeting with -- -- It at her top staff to I believed to plan out a congressional hearing with her cooperation.
Too focused on these conservative groups so that Tom was being set at the top and that's why -- -- -- -- he was right in saying this wasn't -- specific enemies -- this was.
Let's take on the for the political opponents of President Obama.
Do you listen a lot of high profile Democrats obvious thing congressman you're talking about these these of the these.
Appeals to -- -- -- you investigate these groups you worked inside a White House obviously very closely with the president.
And now the White House -- traded distances self from -- this information comes out and that Schulman is that the White House more than a 150 times is very usual.
-- if you highly amused if you could sit down with the president.
How would you advise near what would you say if you were in the White House right now.
I'd say Mr.
President the IRS is a special institution of the power to tax is the power to destroy people and normally on any given day in America have great concerns about the impartiality of the RS.
Those concerns are only heightened when we have what we've heard over the last several months of the IRS targeting the political opponents of the president.
And then things like the you know the enemy's list from the Obama campaign.
In 2012 -- put -- eight prominent Romney donors called them that you know called them up all kinds of names those many of those people were subjected to IRS scrutiny.
And other regulatory scrutiny so there's a heightened concern about the so my advise the president is.
Go the extra mile to assuage those concerns.
Put out a list of all the 157 time Schulman was at the White House.
And who we met with so -- -- number of voices can be heard the -- we never had conversations -- -- about.
Any kind of political targeting -- the administration -- hit mishandled this from the get go and it's going to be very hard for them to restore confidence in in in their credibility on the issue.
And that that's it let's go to the GOP real quick tally of about thirty seconds -- -- -- this might be in -- category wishful thinking do you think that in this potentially.
Criminal and very messy scandal here that we're still learning about there's an -- TV.
For real tax reform.
Somewhere in government that maybe there is something good that comes out of this somehow.
I think that at the end of the day if I think if the hearings go -- in congress like I think they will in front of the house ways and means oversight in the house oversight and Government Reform Committee I think what we will get is a sense of we ought to have a tax code that is simpler fairer and easier to comply with.
-- doesn't give as much power to the bureaucracy into the government gives more power to the individual so flatter and simpler.
Might allow us to get to tax reform but at the end of the day.
That that this principle story is about the potential abuse of power but people inside the IRS and the question is hi how high up does that.
And we still have an answer yet still looking for collided in -- -- somewhere out there Karl I was looking for it -- sometimes afraid my agent.
And he'll take some time it'll take some time -- thank you as always appreciate it thank you Jenna.
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