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Nevada the I -- political targeting scandal as a public interest law firm comes forward.
Claiming that pro life groups were also subjected to extra scrutiny from the IRS.
A question that came up.
During those contentious IRS hearings a couple of weeks back you should know that they have been complaining about this for years long before we learned about the iris targeting Tea Party.
Chicago's Thomas More society says it represents a pro life group in Iowa.
-- claims it was singled out when it apply for tax exempt status sound familiar.
It says agents Natalie stone -- that application.
But also demanded to know things like the contents of the members prayers.
The group that was applying.
And they claim that they IRS tried to force forbid members from picketing outside of abortion clinics can they do that.
Peter -- is an attorney for the Thomas More society -- now Peter.
I've looked at your materials that I mean I'm looking at letters from -- -- press releases from you guys dated.
April 2011 long before we -- about the IRS targeting conservatives.
You were saying your group that they are targeting pro life groups with extra requests.
An inappropriate requests.
And people had their doubts and yet now we find out indeed they were doing -- the whole groups of people.
Conservative leaning groups limited government groups and so on and is that what happened in your case.
Absolutely we had had what we thought were isolated incidents until the most recent scandal broke.
And once that happened we've dug through our files and said look we -- multiple organizations over these past few years during the Obama administration.
To fight off the IRS from these sorts of unconstitutional.
Inquiries and really -- not just unconstitutional but just inappropriate at any lawful.
Based on the -- rules.
Now I know that that you believe this started happening as early as 2009 and that this may have been going on for much longer than we.
And we know at least was inspected the Tea Party groups as being began in 2010.
You say they -- details from.
Pro life groups including the content of their members prayers at a Planned Parenthood facility is that true.
Well they want they asked specifically in the in the documents about the activities at the prayer meetings of our clients in Iowa and also to know the content of the signs they would hold outside of Planned Parenthood.
Here's a thing if your concern is keeping 501 C three charities from doing political work.
When why do you care about what -- do with their prayer meetings -- what they're doing outside of a Planned Parenthood they're not canvassing voters there.
It's obvious what they're doing its non political in terms of -- campaigning it is perfectly appropriate for five -- one C three public charities.
And they also went on to ask whether the group one of these groups are Christian voices for life whether they did education on both sides of the issues -- -- what.
What is that supposed to mean is this is this what they are the Christians are supposed to be doing now like.
We're well where pro life we believe life begins at conception but you should also know in evaluating our argument how the other side feels.
And it what would you ask the NAACP.
If they're going to see what the white supremacists do in the gonna present both sides of the issue of course now.
And is this could this is crazy and so.
Obviously advocacy groups will advocate for their position the First Amendment allows it these are entirely inappropriate questions.
Fortunately for us we were able to fight off the IRS in the case of these clients.
And even since the the the -- -- happened we've now had other people come to us who are in the midst of their IRS processes.
We're trying to help them as well.
Do you believe then that this.
Because yesterday we talked a pro Israel group that got this that that they got this kind of treatment from the IRS now the pro life groups are saying we got this kind of treatment from the IRS and -- -- -- of course that.
Tea Party another eliminate government groups coming out that's been confirmed in their cases that -- been going on are they -- it or are they totally different.
Well we can't help but think it's related at some point you get enough smoking guns and you you have to say there there there has to be a -- And as well all of this happened after President Obama took office so we were having these troubles under the prior administrations.
All the sudden the trouble start under the current administration someone did something.
At what -- we're not sure -- know the congress is investigating.
Well and that's the question who authorized that who specifically gave the go ahead where who's taking responsibility here's an exchange that Stephen Miller they.
-- Acting commissioner gave before congress listen to him on this issue.
Let me ask you about another letter that was received by -- pro life group this one in Iowa.
-- question specifically asked from the -- rest of the coalition for life of Iowa quote please detail the contents.
Of the members of your organizations prayers.
Would that be an appropriate question to -- 501 C three applicant.
The content of -- supporters.
Who it pains me say I can't speak to that when either but that's and you don't know whether or not that would be an appropriate question to -- Seeking an outside of this case which they don't know anything about.
He would surprise me that that question was asked.
Well I I want to thank congressman Aaron shock for putting that right to the commissioner because that question needed to be asked and it was good that.
On a day when I know that the almost every answer seem like I don't know I can't comment at least we finally got an answer to that question it was inappropriate and so.
Again if you're asking for -- is this inappropriate conduct a cross an agency that seemed to start right after the president took office.
How can you say that it's anything but some sort of -- orchestrated campaign.
Yeah he said it was surprise him.
And if that -- question was asked but that's the question is who is minding the shop at the IRS.
Why are these things coming as surprises who to whom are they not surprises and who orchestrated them to begin with.
Peter thanks for being here.
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