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And now additional fallout today from a brand new report finding -- dynamics of the American family are changing.
According to the Pew Research Center mothers are now the sole or primary provider.
In four out of ten households that include children -- the under the age of eighteen.
Back in 1960 that number was just 11%.
The report sparking a debate.
-- Lou Dobbs tonight over on FBN.
Over whether this spells problems for families -- When we're watching society dissolve around this one what -- effect.
You're seeing I think systemically larger than the political stories that we follow every day something going terribly wrong in American society.
And it's hurting our children -- I'm -- used to liberals telling conservatives that there anti science.
But -- -- -- that this is the liberals who defend this and say it's not a bad thing are very anti -- we look at biology look at the natural world the roles that are -- a male and a female in society and other animals that the -- typically is being the dominant.
Role that the female it's not -- -- -- sister it's not competing it's a complementary role.
Bottom line it could undermine our social order.
Joining me -- Lou Dobbs host of Lou Dobbs tonight on -- bike -- is that work and Erick Erickson.
Editor -- red state dot com and a Fox News contributor.
Thanks for being here.
So I'll start when you Eric what makes you dominant.
And me submissive.
And you died -- -- scientists and chief.
-- it doesn't have beating you with submissive in this first day and it was certainly you poorly constructed -- -- -- what I meant by that was and you look.
-- it and society look at other animals that the male of the species tends to be the -- the protector that the dominant one in that regard and we've got to a point in this country where you have a lot of the -- think that.
The male and female roles are completely interchangeable that.
That there is no need for a man to support his family you've got -- walking away you've got.
Women becoming single mothers not by their choice you -- a lot of people think it's a lifestyle -- this isn't healthy for society.
When we think that rolls of gender completely can be interchangeable no Wednesday and women he had he or shouldn't be a -- -- -- the primary breadwinner it's just that when we force ourselves to this point -- deciding where they have to be that's not a good healthy thing for society -- -- That's not exactly what you have been saying -- past couple of days you've got -- -- -- show.
We'll get you know we get to you in a minute mr.
dobbs -- But you you may -- a menu you posted blog at red state.
Trying to expand on your comments and and let's put -- to the for the moment to decide the issue of single parents.
Because that is -- in there is more data to support the notion that she children who were in single parent -- families don't fare as well often.
But you took it went well beyond that as it from your your blog.
In modern society we're not supposed to point out the children in a two parent heterosexual.
Nuclear household have a better chance -- long term success in life.
In modern society we're supposed to applaud feminists who teach women they can have at all.
That there's no gender identify -- role of women can fulfill the role husbands and fathers just as men do.
Now there is data in the scientific community to suggest that children.
Of -- homosexual.
Who are happily married and are good parents.
They are no worse than children of heterosexual couples and there's plenty of data to suggest that children of working moms as opposed to stay at home moms.
Wind up just as healthy and able to thrive in society than the children of state homeowners.
-- you know Megan I -- dispute that data largely because it's been so self selectively take the most comprehensive study for example of gay families that came out of University of Texas.
The leftist tried to undermine -- -- -- -- sociologists who study noted that.
Many of these studies that show there are no problems are typically -- high income lesbian families and would you study higher income families you're absolutely right.
Working mothers are very high income their children there really isn't a big difference but when you go into the middle class.
We're a lot of these issues are bubbling up we have a long who's working twelve hours a day and -- dad is working twelve hours today and they come home.
And are also try to be good parents you can't have at all.
And they're making compromises and he had not judging them and no one should you -- yet.
Reality you are well I'm I'm not -- you are you are because you come out very clearly and say that you believe that women who choose to work.
Instead of seeing it staying at home to quote nurture their children and instead have the father do that are imposing.
Worst feature on their children.
And women who make a different choice the choice you and your wife make.
It may get I don't view this judge and I viewed as a statement of fact that we you've got a mom who's working full time and then coming home try to be a full time mom as well.
It's very difficult and I think reporters in the public according to people agree that.
-- but just because you have people who agree he doesn't mean it's it's not offensive.
And I know you're -- your blog I know in your blog you talk about how you believe it's it's feminists and I don't know what the word is something some sort of liberals.
Eco liberal friends to call -- that the you -- liberal media who I don't know what that is about it.
But I don't think I mean you molybdenum and I don't just I don't know if you are -- -- -- but I looked like I was offended by your -- nonetheless -- like what you wrote one bit I do you think you are judging people -- you seem to me sound like somebody.
Who's judging but wants to come on say I'm not I'm not I'm not now let me judge -- judge and by the way it's science science science it's fact back back back back.
-- and have a whole this -- the -- the study saying you're science wrong facts -- wanna get Lewin.
You know -- used to use silly stuff like you agree with him when he was and you shall.
Well let me let let me give you the sound of -- -- the agreement and and that is this.
What I send and what I would acknowledge immediately is that Eric is wrong about nature itself the mail is not always dominant whether -- -- -- -- pride of lions.
Are whether it be an -- in -- the queen -- and her high -- and workers.
But when the Serengeti is on fire and that's what I was saying.
It is time to look at what the impact here wrist.
We are looking at a war on drugs that we're losing we're looking and an economy in which jobs are not being replaced with that you either equal pay or near equal pay.
With the replacement job we are watching classic.
Traditional jobs in construction.
Manufacturing that have been male.
In the sense that there are the period they were the pre dominant number of workers.
We're looking at a society in which change is the absolute hallmark.
And for people and for any war in any discussion in any.
On what is happening with women in the workplace.
To ignore the fact that.
We have marriages breaking up shattering in this society and we know that that reduces by at least.
Why are you attributing that to women in the workforce excuse me -- let me just finish what I'm saying it by male dominant one.
-- the fact is -- that three times as many people.
In a single friendly house a single parent household.
Are likely to end up with great psychological illness was -- -- ecological side angle and it's it's not that.
This -- and assembly are putting that we can't I it to the side you can't put.
We can't wait we already had that debate that's not what this debate was about it and they definitely -- only affect about eight it's exactly what -- about no it isn't it does not because -- -- -- -- then the bottom there and let let let Eric know because you're you're you're now on the you know he added some -- safer territory let me go back -- because this is from your blog.
This is according to Eric -- and I quote the truth.
Kids most likely will do best in households where they have a mom at home nurturing them while dad is out bringing home the bacon.
American Psychological Association 2010 study according to -- -- a fifty years of research.
Children whose mothers work are no more likely to had any problems think kids whose mothers.
Stay at home.
They studied 69 studies.
Over 59 years of research your fact.
-- science Eric is not supported by the American psychological -- ask you about the American activated at the academy of pediatrics Columbia University -- -- University of North Carolina study.
I mean why are we supposed to take your word for it.
Erick Erickson science instead of all of these experts.
Well because what I think the experts can be as politically motivated as anyone else when it comes to these particular studies because it plays into a particular current notion.
That it's okay and second I do think when he got three quarters of the public willing to recognize that the increase in -- as breadwinners.
It makes it harder to raise kids yeah I think most people understand -- typically are more nurturing that that's not always not at all cases and it it it's paying very broad brush strokes I admit play.
How do you know vendors.
He noted in this country in the in the fifties and sixties there were huge huge numbers of people that believe that the children of interracial marriages.
We're alive interior were biologically.
Inferior and that is why it was.
It was illegal for blacks and whites to -- in some states in this country up until 1967.
And they -- English and science and it was back if you had a child.
Of a black father a white mother or vice Versa you were inferior you were not gonna set up for success tell that to Barack Obama.
It -- I completely agree with you on that but I.
I do think there absolutely is something to kids having a stable home life I'm not saying moms can't work and I think dads should be well unstable about having a working mother.
And it and a nurturing loving stayed home father.
You know if it works for you god bless you for working for you but but I do think that most people need to realize that.
Did they work on an individual case but in generalities -- do you think having the mom who's the nurturing one at home when -- my wife worked when my child was -- apparently.
As you know Clinton feeling your -- your family and Ellie is exactly new but you are integrating the choices made by others -- -- -- of the room let me get back to Lou -- and take it away from the single parenting because that's not.
I mean the facts article what the facts are what happens -- -- -- -- Lou but I try to ask glued to weigh in on your much more controversial statements about.
Loving family's pit -- parents present.
And -- you're notion that it is damaging to children to have the mother as the primary wager an ability to the last word.
Look at the last word on this is I won't take up his argument he's done very well or as best you can against.
Against your views.
But look the reason it's important to look at the impact of single parent households and not take away from the discussion but really add to it.
Boys males are far more impacted by the disruption.
That surrounds a single parent household.
And the result is in part what we're seeing -- -- society as they age and -- to be entering law school.
Going to go -- get through high school for crying out loud.
It is very important to keep that in the discussion in the debate -- got in meanwhile god bless you read my wife for my daughter's life.
I think I cannot it was all right.
Look I realized underneath yeah -- -- not thinking about.
Yeah yeah we'll be right back don't go away.
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