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You know the name -- learner she is the woman at the center of the IRS scandal who refused to testified.
When congress came calling well my next guest a former Republican candidate for Illinois senate seat claims he was learners top target.
When she worked for the FEC.
Al Selby joins us live from Chicago good morning out.
Good morning Nelson okay 1996 slowest -- was at the FCC you were running percentage for our from Illinois as a Republican -- in -- nutshell how do you believe she killed your chances.
Well I had -- -- million dollars to my own campaign and that's totally legal.
And my accounts filled out the paperwork.
The FEC sued me during the campaign.
That the paperwork that wasn't done properly and they came after me it was 45 year process.
And World War I headlines Al Salvi is being sued by the federal elections commission over one million -- It sounded really really bad -- -- used against me by my political opponents for the rest of my political career and they would not let go they were relentless and lowest Lerner was the one directing the whole thing.
And you sit around and this it never had any merit but meanwhile while you were trying to clear your name and while you were trying to do all the right things get past this you say the lowest -- Gave you an ultimatum what was.
Let me make this clear -- is that I say didn't have merit.
District court said it had no merit.
And then they appealed it and and the federal appellate court upheld the federal district court.
So there would they were sending lawyers say after me -- big shot Washington lawyers in court my brother Mike.
Was representing me and he beat a mall.
So it wasn't just me that said that that case had absolutely no merit.
It was the court did finally did but by then my political career was over.
And lowest floor and that her lawyers that she was directing.
With -- during this case.
And at first they were demanding 200000.
Dollars which I couldn't have paid 200000.
Plus -- promise not -- were ever run for political office again.
I found that very strange.
As time went on and we kept swinging motion after motion after motion the number of kept going down Allison.
And I finally said I.
With all due respect Colleen C Leander was the lawyer I with whom I was no negotiating in the beginning.
I -- with all due respect I'd like to speak to the person directing -- slowest -- She's the one who.
Has the authority to really settle the case.
And at that point -- -- was willing to settle my case for 40000 dollars again for what was -- legal loan they acknowledged it was legal.
They claimed it was a paperwork -- 40000.
But she said you have to promise me that you will never run for political office again and she said that -- directly -- Lerner said that she's she said that.
To need directly and I asked her to put that in writing because I'm -- on a lawyer too and if I think something doesn't sound right.
Icy and put it in writing may be it's legal I didn't think it was right didn't sound right.
But she wouldn't put it she said we don't do that.
When we won the case at that at the district court level and they -- they threatened to appeal.
They said zero dollars.
But promise you'll never run for public office again.
And I said no and then of course I won on the appellate level.
The next election I ran was for secretary of state my opponent spent over a million dollars saying that federal elections commission is.
Targeting -- -- which is investigating Al Salvi for questionable.
Loans and all the stuff and it really hurt me I won that election.
This is what really -- -- is when.
The lawyer working for lowest gas said we never we never lose and I see you just lost.
And they said -- she said we never we never lose you'll be hearing from us again.
I -- exactly how Ohio and democracy is supposed to work well sobbing you certainly have -- -- me.
-- political ringer and we appreciate you sharing your your personal story with us it's it's insightful thanks a lot for coming man.
And thank you very much coming.
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