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But some bombshell allegations from a top Republican congressman investigating the IRS political targeting scandal.
Oversight and Government Reform Committee chairman Darrell ice -- claiming the tax agency received direct orders from Washington.
To single out conservative groups applying for tax exempt status something the White House denies listen.
We're looking at the -- for how big the problem -- as you know.
As late as last week.
The administration storefront is say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati when in fact the indication is they were directly being ordered from Washington.
Karl Rove is a former senior advisor and deputy chief of staff to president George W.
Bush also a Fox News contributor.
And he joins us now you have suggested that essentially the tone was set.
In Washington from -- IRS scandal.
And -- -- to go a little farther than you do what you think about his well he had the advantage of having his investigators on the house.
Government Reform Committee.
Interview some of these people in Cincinnati some of these IRS employees at least two of them said.
Where -- they've -- 11 was a senior person they said.
They requested a transfer in July 2010 because they thought it was micro management by warship in the worst Hussein.
Target conservative groups target Republican groups Republican leaning groups.
And the other one affirmed that the -- instructions for the bowl list to be on the lookout for came from Washington look we know.
That it's just not rogue agents in Cincinnati we've known for a couple weeks at some of these.
Groups were contacted by IRS agents in Laguna Niguel California and another -- California office Baltimore Maryland and Washington DC one of these letters.
This time by -- -- herself so the idea that this was a few rogue people at the bottom of the food chain in Cincinnati.
Has been you know just -- for weeks now and it's amazing that the White House continues to say this David -- yesterday on ABC this morning said for this week said.
It's a couple of rogue agents and it's not political -- how you can say this this is not political.
When only conservative and Republican leaning groups were targeted is beyond me yet his quote was are we just gonna be obsessed with scandal and trying to score political points.
-- is that what this is.
When that you know they had the power to tax is the power to destroy and when the IRS is deployed on behalf of the political objective that is to say.
You know do something bad to the president's political opponents said that -- -- disturb everybody if it can happen to Republicans.
When Democrats from power that it could happen to Democrats when Republicans and -- in power and if we get to that point.
Then we're no longer in the United States of America were some Third World country run by colonels in mirrored sunglasses if the power of the government can be so.
Deployed against of the political opponents of the president a little bit later in the -- -- -- talking with one of the columnists from The Washington Times -- -- -- investigation of political contributions from that Cincinnati IRS Tim Carney right.
Terrific work -- unbelievably good work found that in the 2012 election cycle every single contribution he could locate.
-- was it was given from those IRS employees either to president Obama's campaign.
Or -- -- Brown the democratic senator -- bullet did it RS employees are entitled to make political contributions in and it shouldn't surprise anybody that somebody works for the IRS tends to be.
Liberal in their outlook and Democrat in their -- they're giving in the voting.
But they did that that politics ought to stop the -- -- the moment they walk into that office.
They are responsible for implying the tax laws of the United States in an impartial way and what we know now is.
They did the did the -- to IRS acknowledges it didn't.
The Treasury Department acknowledges it did.
The White House knowledge as it did did did it it didn't apply them it impartially for what we've got as we've got the White House claiming all wasn't political welcome.
It's political it's although only people being targeted or your political opponents and we also know that the IRS doesn't seem to have to to care too much about how much it spends.
On its conventions and employee entertainment again conferences we gotta we had to have many tens of thousands of dollars -- spent on -- Star Trek spoof video -- and and literally there and it is amazing to me they have a huge conference in Anaheim they buy a bunch of rooms rent a bunch of rooms in bulk and they don't negotiate with a hotel to get the cheapest rate.
Instead they're all their interest -- -- -- -- drink coupons and special benefits are we gonna get for the employees it.
Who covered their their responsible for not -- of collecting revenue they're sure responsible for spending the revenue that they have under their power.
As responsibly as possible and clearly they did but is this the kind of thing that's always gone on in government I mean do you think that this will mark a change.
Well look we've had the GSA scandal where we had the outrageous expenditures in the Las Vegas conference.
We're now have an NC IRS it is endemic -- government.
-- and the question is you know -- are the people in charge can reining in and hold those responsible.
For these actions to account and if they do then we'll probably discourage it for a period of time but yes when you have big government.
And it's not their money they're spending and the -- Timmy -- some weird haven't -- ingrained in the in the bureaucrats that's pretty awful news Karl Rove.
Thanks very much today.
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