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Morning I'm Doug -- here with my.
Friend John -- today and colleague from political insiders on my left.
In Charleston, South Carolina heading up our southern bureau -- is the honorable Patrick -- He will be.
Offering his trenchant commentary.
From the palmetto state is that not -- -- -- and let me begin pat with that question we touched non FNC last night.
But -- be great if you could elucidate.
Which is on.
Poll numbers six -- slide number six the direction of the country.
30% say that countries heading in the right direction 61 on the wrong track.
Pat what does that mean to you what are the implications.
For the president.
At the GOP's.
Those numbers reflect what the country outside of Washington.
And the political plastic is going wrong.
You know we're having all this talk about how we're having a massive economic recovery the very sluggish recovery except in the stock market -- -- that is.
It is inflated them them the market by buying all of these -- for assets for.
Actually helping wealthy people ordinary people are having a hard time we see the country -- -- -- typical thing.
Those numbers are not getting better they're getting worse and I think.
It doesn't help the president he's in charge people leader of the country elected to lead the country.
And we see it dysfunctional congress the president -- Being able to -- any leadership is in question and now what this entire landscape.
I think it's it's an ominous -- John what's irritates.
I think is ominous the way pat mentioned and I think that there's a cynicism in America skepticism about everything and if you have that as the underlying feeling.
It feeds into the three scandals and people believing the worst is happening.
And they want to blame people for their bad lot in life and they're happy to blame the government for thinking they're a -- crux.
They're out adding their own wallets I don't care about me.
Were or -- of sour period right now.
And I'd like to put up slide too which is the Obama approval if -- could.
For the viewers -- right there it's 45 approve 49 disapprove had been.
And -- giving him -- 4845.
Pat what do you take on the president dropping down to 45%.
Well I think -- beat down reported by Google gold all were one of the things we know what a lot of people -- and we need to make this point.
People in Washington.
In the political class the media are all running around you know nobody cares about the scandals and has no -- Blob -- -- actually the country is as we will see when we discussed today country's much further ahead.
Much more engaged and I would have expected.
Certainly a lot more engaged and they were frankly Watergate is that this is here.
And I think that.
We will see those numbers the president.
We've seen -- movement not only on his overall property but specifically.
-- on the handling of of elements of the of the government's leadership the economy and interestingly enough we saw -- personal.
Quite a drop in.
That at a recent polling out on his question about trustworthy and honest.
I mean it went it almost state law -- doesn't want so I think it's eating away at the president.
In that fashion Campbell -- an apple all -- accelerate the drop in overall group.
I -- -- it's eating away at the Democrats to not just what is senator baucus that new poll that came out that I don't think we have today Rasmussen yesterday came out showing.
For the first time since the election Republicans on every issue lead Democrats in their handling of the economy foreign policy all that stuff.
Which is a benchmark of the scandals driving Democrats stand and therefore.
Elevating Republicans even the Republicans haven't done anything they haven't seized this thing yet -- which we're gonna talk.
I'll bet that was going to be my question pat how would you critique the way.
The Republicans Darrell ice the party is a whole are handling both the scandals and reaction to the scandals.
Or you -- I think the last hearing there -- lights and held probably much more scripted much more effective.
When media may have -- -- because you know pirates but look the real problem here is -- there is no strategic merit in the Republican Party.
That educates people and explain it is all happenstance is we will see this we will be -- different hearings.
There's not a there's not a concerted effort to.
Make clear to people why this is important.
Most of all why it affects their own laws.
And that I don't know what we'll talk about that -- wanna talk about that is really the -- Obama -- Pat and double nephew got some players we grew up there was the -- -- Select committee Sam -- in the senate -- Peter Rodino the Judiciary Committee chairman and that house was pursuing the thing through.
At two committees and a special prosecutor all going after the Nixon scandals and there were plot plural scandals called Watergate.
Here we have Ben Ghazi IRS and the AP subpoena James Rosen thing is there any way.
Some congressional entity to investigate.
All of them together.
Or do we need to select committee on bank Ghazi and a select committee on the IRS can you have to -- or should you have one.
All wrapped up saying we're gonna investigate government abuse of power what what do you.
I think it's more difficult pat I'm curious.
Your reaction the facts themselves are so.
Difficult to pin down.
And each of these cases.
That particularly Ben does in the IRS.
I suspect we need discreet inquiries but pat what what would be your reaction to John's question.
Well I think it got to raise a really good question I don't know which could have won overall committee to do all this -- so much there.
I do believe.
Because the thing -- -- scandal is different from me to say at least from IRS game.
I think you may need to select committee John Boehner -- leadership even a 155.
Republicans in the house of Saud if you sort.
Republicans also behind on rightful congressman wolf resolution for -- like millenium ago the leadership -- stonewalling that.
Animal himself has said that the Boehner doesn't appoint one he will be aiding and abetting a calmer and I think that's very -- com.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- So that you can actually investigate have an investigation.
-- they -- -- it zaps and the council are investigating from start to finish these these issues.
And will call the most important people but White House -- President has not they've not been up on the -- And evacuees we talked about them over over they've never been interviewed about my only problem with and I don't mean to dump on.
Chairman -- who's head of government oversight and operations whatever but.
He's the chairman of one committee he's investigating both of these -- he's the central figure if you go.
Today on the hill newspaper the list.
Of articles for -- have price's name and prices says that's -- have called -- at a liar.
And it's too much in one chairman's hand I think to have one guy whether he's good or not.
Handling both bank Gaza and the higher -- Pat what would you say if you have to summarize.
We're -- to weren't.
Which is what we're getting from might have been used to date we viewed the I -- tomorrow we -- got it is it's so scattershot -- not strategic.
And his his handling the lowest Lerner was very and hand that he they should have the things scripted with -- counsel.
-- -- you're gonna say that's -- gonna take the fifth you're gonna walk out the idea that they he didn't know what was happening and that he was gonna call -- back again.
Which is gonna end up making her a sympathetic figure for beating up water.
Is shows that they don't really have it together yet on the higher ups there are other people that need to be questioned.
Including the one that -- three talk about.
The woman who's head of the IRS workers union miss -- Who had a meeting what the president the day before the targeting of the conservatives began.
That I'd rather hear from her in -- -- -- you know.
Yes well and that is even more important because.
Today we find out it was in charge over what was lower Lois Lane -- -- on -- but it's.
Where's Jimmy -- of this deal directly at the but you'd be you know we see she's not only -- a brutal bombing.
But now today Fox's reporting that in fact did the employees in Cincinnati are saying we were operating under -- direction.
This is going to lead the Washington it gets to the other issue we discussed yesterday mr.
-- former commissioners 157.
Visits to the white.
This is my problem but the Republicans they cannot get -- them mountains -- the Pittsburgh because you're really in the mall.
Almost three and a half times more then then Hillary Clinton and -- over three times more than his -- Timothy Geithner.
-- -- side into the White House what was he doing.
Pat tell our audience what you told -- -- -- about Marsha Blackburn to show what.
-- good example of how under -- the Republicans are are how unprepared yesterday on Meet the Press.
David Marcia Blackburn was on the panel would the new NBC guru.
David Axelrod and -- great -- bit -- the 157 visits in.
We need to noble about that name actual budget -- and how -- George Bush.
Is it had to be a bit.
Head of the -- arrests have if you set I don't know being a -- is one.
Right she should have known that -- should have already got four Novak.
You know -- pat let me -- you and John a question.
That we raised again briefly yesterday but would be.
We're taking little time to address which is how has President Obama addressed the scandals from a strategic practical.
Point of view.
Well I I think -- -- -- very -- I mean I think he's.
What he's doing he's up there -- I know nothing there is article to sort until the -- I've known nothing about what's going on all we're gonna happen if -- ball meanwhile we've got -- and we got a attorney general.
Who according to -- a significant prosecutor I don't -- -- may have committed perjury not before the congress but it sought in the affidavit.
You know he is the president was protecting him he did not call you know when George Bush.
When the -- replaying incidents happened which is far less significant things -- When that happened George Bush demanded know what can take the Fifth Amendment everyone had to test the pot.
Made a wide open.
President Obama has not asked what was our what was -- -- or any of these people become -- -- and offered the White House staff if this is.
He is playing a duplicitous game here and it's a dangerous game and I'd like to get short react.
Action of that -- you -- and scandals it will be back and I will react liberal way.
We'll react after we take a brief break.
-- -- -- -- That pat posed a question of me and John which try to address which is how is President Obama been responding to the scandals.
And on one level he's got a good response.
-- BI arrested -- about it.
AP that's the Justice Department.
Ben -- Because -- personally or -- good but.
It's other people sorted out lot of testimony.
Not really satisfactory sustainably.
But at least it avoids too much substandard scrutiny so on a superficial.
Direct level tactical -- If you well I think it's a reasonable set of answers but there's a -- With the country heading in the wrong direction 61 to authority as we saw.
Deep sense of dissatisfaction that we've spoken about how to spoken about.
In the last few weeks with great clarity.
I think the American people are looking for action.
They're looking for results the president is try to change the conversation.
I don't think -- much success and my prediction would be as time goes on the scandals will continue as the quinnipiac polls suggested.
To weigh heavily on.
John that I injury like UT guys who worked in the White House I have never -- -- visiting and then there.
Is it believable that a president.
Not be able to answer -- his spokesman answer anything about the night of paying -- That the president would not have been told that his CIA director at the time was under federal investigation that's Petraeus they never they allegedly never told them.
Until right after the election.
He allegedly never knew about the IRS -- -- but the inspector general support the whole thing.
Even those White House counsel -- chief of staff knew they didn't tell him he didn't know about the subpoenas of the reporters -- -- They purposely don't tell him anything that's going on in his government if you believe that narrative.
Now I don't believe that do you believe -- -- and pat do you believe that they've got a mandate to withhold.
Information from their I don't.
Execution is this is a classic being for cover -- this is what got -- and I'm not that I'm saying the president on anything it's hike on this.
But I do believe he's misled the American people is helping aiding and abetting in political copper up these issues.
To protect their ground and it is very thing to do so look good one nation that's why -- have like focused on the -- special.
Which you happen -- -- -- there a 157.
Times once every knowing days.
He is in the White House I -- -- know who he's talking to was talking to people -- And we had several Emanuel and the only and other.
David -- -- David Axelrod -- didn't meet with a 157.
This is unheard up an agency like the RS and I cannot believe that the president was not a where he was out there stoking these fires.
On the big culture of the key backers and there -- danger in sending signals.
You know he is -- -- that we could go broke -- two weeks ago reminds me Henry the second what anyone could -- these -- these -- some Tea Party people.
If people got the message.
That's done my answer.
To your specific question I think it's a good one is -- -- -- having -- in the White House.
There are of course private conversations with the present some.
You become privy to most -- But there's another way of -- -- And that's where you talk by inference.
What we call the -- in the wing.
Where you say look Mr.
We're doing everything we -- at all levels to deal with the -- -- good you keep doing what you're doing to make sure we.
Get our message out get our message out and and take them on everywhere we get packed.
All right John's point about the meeting the president had would be had to the Irish union that people -- these regulate this effort started.
In the IRS is so probably.
And and also let me just -- but only one quick sort when I first -- the White House the day after the inauguration.
And was even on the west wing in the Oval Office I was done by one realization.
Of how small and Doug you can confirms -- -- also being -- the west wing -- The idea that and I realize right away all -- here we are people saying the president didn't present an -- -- he has surrounded every office surrounded both its smallest mind.
Going around all of all of the conspiracy he believed that he doesn't know what's going on.
It's not reasonable.
Let let me read and he.
Tweet we got.
Which I think sums up this conversation very well and I want to turn the last couple of minutes Eric Holder.
If I had a nickel.
For everything Obama said he didn't know.
About hope I would not have to pay taxes this year even though he's raised -- I -- the even though he's raised them line.
That's from isn't anyone listening and I think that sums up.
The conversation quite.
-- it brings back you know the 1850s we had a transitional political party in this country called the no no no political party which is fully anti immigrant.
But -- catch word whenever anybody's asked what are you guys up -- I know nothing reflect certain children if Obama is in the know nothing party right he knows nothing about videos.
Let's put -- slide for.
The approval rating of the attorney general.
No comment about editors a -- -- DA positive forty disapprove.
-- -- -- Does Eric -- survive.
No questions how fast.
He goes and -- in the end it is I don't see can survive as I said before he's being called up again he's going to be called up again he has been -- Partly too cute by half.
And in fact I think he is committed -- He is certainly misled the congress and -- perjure himself and he may have perjured himself from the judge as I related earlier on signing that document.
But here's the problem and I saw this Bert Lance and it's a problem Nixon -- with John Mitchell is Eric Holder.
-- -- very the and it is that they're trying to hold on Eric -- only cabinet member the president wouldn't let go after the first term that tells you a lot.
So is leaving or what he's gonna happen believe the -- in the and it's already out there and New York Times it.
They're pushing -- now he cannot survive.
Let me put up.
Slide seven -- had asked John to react this is B should Eric Holder resigned 42.
Yes 44 -- 34 don't know John -- -- you.
-- -- I mean I think that.
You gotta look at the role of the attorney general to a president usually at Bobby Kennedy obviously the president Kennedy's brother totally loyal John Mitchell totally loyal.
William French Smith was Reagan's personal attorney makes them attorney general.
I'm presuming holder is very loyal to the Obama's.
And therefore he's willing to take the heat for Obama to -- keep things away from Obama to protect them if you -- this guy out.
If the White House looks like they're ditching them.
Does he get ticked off does he say loyalties a two way street not a one way street.
And you then have an angry ex attorney general out there looking perhaps to save himself.
In plea negotiations that could happen if there -- some charges I don't know.
-- do you think that.
The White House staff is sending signals our messages to -- that it wouldn't be a bad idea of who resigned.
Certainly elements are and that is that you need to dance going on again -- go back to the back to his relationship with the president and bow regard.
And how but -- also understand the importance.
It's that he is the most political attorney general since -- Mitchell is right he didn't -- -- political interference and executing political.
Operations the White House and state law.
And do -- president as low pollution.
Presents a local pollution people like this and sometimes they stayed too long.
And the question is why the White House staff wants him on the question is Obama now Obama has -- -- Reverend Wright under the body whatever.
But in this case this is a big -- The -- and and confirmation of getting another political attorney general would be I think difficult not -- Let's go to slide eight in the two minutes or so we have left.
I just wanna spend little time talking about -- -- -- -- up senators is it likely that other government agencies.
Targeted conservative groups sixty yes nine now in a recent Rasmussen poll.
John why don't you begin on this basis that and perhaps the biggest poll we've put up today or yesterday.
That the fact that 60% of Americans believe other agencies also.
Are going after conservatives that they're not 60% of America were conservatives so these are a lot of other people thinking those.
It's scary proposition that the federal government -- using EPA and IRS and god knows what else to go after people who disagree with the president.
That that's the hallmark of a police state.
And -- overstating it -- -- -- 68% of the people the other number we have from yesterday.
Saying that they believe the government is a real threat to their own personal freedom including 63% of Democrats.
You know -- this concern is much bigger and -- and that is what I think why you must go to movies like committee.
Few seconds we have left.
-- sad note senator Frank Lautenberg a former client of mine passed away today at the age of 89.
Senator -- -- was a champion of liberalism.
He was a steadfast.
Advocate of health care policies.
Social welfare policies.
And was a staunch advocate of -- state New Jersey.
We wish of course our best -- was -- -- And we will deal next week I suspect with the political ramifications.
His passing but for today I'm Doug -- For John Boulware impacted -- thanks for tuning in -- of 5:30 PM Sunday on the Fox News.