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Show -- And that -- That is people missing an opportunity to have done the electric slide and instead doing something called the cupid shuffle.
And this is power play and -- and -- start well and happy Monday happy Monday.
Now the scandal at the iris -- much deeper than I thought because I believed for all of this time for several days.
That in fact the agents at the -- were being paid.
And having money spent teach them how to do the electric -- which would be important.
If you're going to a wedding in the upper Ohio valley that would be necessary -- cupid -- -- got nothing and questions questions and outrage only deepen.
As this video services we will talk about what's going virus scandals and including this stuff that matters.
We will also talk about did you know that they're still attempting to legislate in Washington there are.
There are there isn't a big package on immigration that's going to try to get its legs under it this week.
We will examine the chances there there.
And we will also -- here -- kicking it will be with us today we will talk about the nexus between national security.
Which people -- and prosecuting wars saying that your -- prosecute journalists which.
We will do all of that and wouldn't do it in a dapper action today.
As we have with us when David Welker.
And it'll -- for the very first time.
Senior congressional correspondent for the -- Models stomping grounds so congratulations and welcome thank you could be that are they treating you they are -- this is fine you pay attention.
The it -- -- -- if they had to say that's at hand you had to say that and you know it's it's it's it's.
This the let's take a listen to what -- -- -- vice chairman of the house.
Oversight committee had to say.
On -- news.
As late as last week.
The administration storefront is say there's a few rogue agents in Cincinnati when in fact the indication is they were directly being ordered from Washington.
Is a reference to they've had some.
That doesn't teaser some curtain raisers.
From the they went dead -- the committee -- committee since I was meant to Cincinnati.
To talk to -- the people who were supposedly rogue agents.
Who were misbehaving and targeting the president's political enemies when they talk to these folks that said.
-- I don't think that we were rogue agents I think that we were directed from Washington and that when my supervisor -- Told me to do this and I said no this is bad because -- get in trouble for later the supervisor said.
You do it because -- what Washington -- of the plot thickens.
Yet Chris you know something that Saddam struck me the entire way through now and -- -- here it's twenty different house columns multiple committees.
It was something that senator Toomey of Pennsylvania -- when the Senate Finance Committee and their first practice which is.
Can you tell us exactly who did -- made the decision to do this area.
-- -- well then if you can't tell us to and we can't get -- in front of us asked him why.
How can you keep assuring us that politics wasn't involved.
Even if it was only on the par.
Let's say -- agents.
That might have done this and and activity is everything until we have somebody.
Who carried this out.
In front of the -- so that we can ask them.
And who directed you -- who allowed it there are a lot of unanswered questions eloquently.
That this thing you know -- only go so far only -- a certain amount of people.
Or it could be the opposite but we haven't been able to -- -- because everybody so far whether it's.
Doug shown interest even team Miller and of course those -- -- the Fifth Amendment she insane thing -- -- -- nobody even able to say.
Who and why just you know we regret that it happened.
And an -- mistakes and mistakes were made any you know I mean we did to develop bullets we didn't know there was a Democratic Party which -- I think liberals of this as we knew that we clearly would have been fair and we have no and we wouldn't we I mean on the way out David -- David -- is currently.
-- Spokes -- talking four lumber news.
But before he was the presence in -- In 2008.
He was Colorado and he he said -- -- job.
In the Obama White House is it pretty big deal.
He kind of he kind of freak the freak out.
Over the weekend he brought up -- -- -- 1972.
-- theft charges dropped charges dropped charges dropped.
He he -- that happened in the -- freaked out was he said -- -- -- George Stephanopoulos.
Won't know what did this because it would be so stupid it's so stupid that anybody would direct the iris because it would be shameful and embarrassing.
It's like will people do stupid stuff all the Smart people do stupid stuff all the time in Washington is -- more people use -- Sounds like that -- or so you know guy picnic in the interrogation wrote it is like I -- it he's still put it right is that what.
Welcome have -- this honestly in that to him as -- is an experienced political and it's so stupid that he doesn't see how would have happened.
But that is not an adequate excuse and it actually.
Is the kind of things that guilty people saying more people know things say as a defense -- And and Chris you know one of the things that you know -- reporter on the past couple weeks have -- in the European and -- the house Ways and Means Committee.
-- set up a website people -- stories.
And wall a lot of us have been focused on the conservative Tea Party groups in -- -- scrutiny.
By the IRS there are people that believe they have their business and or personal tax returns audited.
For the first time ever.
Only after -- became politically active in these are people that honestly believe some people I'm told.
Recorded their conversations with -- agents and or they were worried about retribution.
And now they're willing to share.
And -- -- I think -- -- by the way plaza in this woods Friday.
And street journal that in fact -- targeting included an actual political.
But it was one of the things that the targeting of these groups and this is just understand.
The targeting of these groups related groups that said they were not political.
And trying to these the -- trying to prove that they really were political organizations in airplane.
That they were social welfare organizations was was just -- cover and so that's.
That's one thing.
And now they're very sorry that that happened but then the next -- is -- to David's point what about people who were political find themselves in their regular law.
Lives suddenly dealing with Paris -- and then there's one more after that which is what about groups that say we are political you get our act.
Absolutely actively political.
Also facing the -- so and so far you know what they need I was just thinking about this year.
But they need some Democrats who were victimized by the arrest in her bed in the Republicans don't need -- web site.
The Democrats try to website sec please let there be a democratic -- -- -- -- of what's important about our style.
Let's say they got caught up there's one out of Texas in fact they've been active on Twitter and news of the people involved in this organization say they were also caught up extra scrutiny.
You know I think the issue.
May be one according to a source of mine -- has advised conservative.
Social welfare groups that were.
You know look at as it's really been about an electioneering.
Is that there was a culture.
Many conservatives believe in Washington starts with the president in his public remarks.
About the Citizens United Supreme Court decision and the fact that you have a lot of groups that we're taking advantage.
The the new rules and end in relax limits on what groups can do politically.
And they believe it's possible just like -- corporation -- people take their cues from the top into the nobody ever -- do anything that these people say it yet all these groups they're suspicious.
Well in the back now from -- off in a bomb team Obama is that nobody.
Inside the orbit of the way the president campaign ever.
Got a five file folder they shouldn't -- on Mitt Romney or one of his donors right that nobody knew that this was going on and happened to say.
Well means that only pro Republican.
Only did journalism -- who look I don't know if it out of him break out of California lots of them admittedly left of center investigatory role media outlet.
The only ones that -- that's it that's it no one else don't know I used to say this was crazy but now -- Dundee.
Because clearly wasn't it wasn't great and it's not crazy it's we're so thrilled that -- the Examiner's that you -- today that you -- Aren't so our producer Christine.
Points out that -- that that really is the cupid shuffle.
And and and as a link to prove it.
And you you taller -- more knowledgeable about this apparently said perhaps this was a waste because the -- -- just isn't that -- to do.
Want to -- why people out there doing cupid shuffle and one last thing I would point out is that Patrick.
Follows me -- cease fire on the twitters he does he does he's Smart.
Because security -- my column that I wrote and was he able to make -- joke about it saying this.
Fear begets anger on the -- scandal was my headline there's a lot of fear a lot of bank rolling round and yes this.
Does anger to get hate which we which -- the dark side.
-- is at the center of all this we're gonna take a quick break.
But when we come back -- -- -- will be with and we will talk about whether Washington can make an immigration law in the midst of all of this -- -- That's what it looked like -- people were really serious about border security.
And this is power play.
Should a great -- be built that stretches along the southern border of the United States.
Many think that border security needs to be so thorough and so completely eaten -- It means to be total.
Before there is any disparagement moving forward.
What it's been called comprehensive which means long and complicated immigration reform.
In the United States congress can -- that reform package move forward will certain concerns about security.
Border security do it in before it even -- that sent it.
Let's find out with people who know.
Tim Miller knows as he makes his sophomore appearance here on the dominant Internet political telecast -- -- -- is the executive director.
Of the America rising act and used in the -- EC.
On the twisters.
Oh we -- today.
Because -- -- yes he's Fox News contributor yes he has pollster.
The house has been pollster for the house of Clinton.
That yes this is true.
Also about political insiders people address that I think you do I think you're right I doubt.
Chris thanks for the introduction and yes we've been on.
Yes they've people with the Internet is is already awash days after -- because if you will and you.
All right so while they're still -- tell them if you will.
This immigration be open you've told us before pulling underneath it basically this is something the Republicans need the Democrats want.
Need creates a greater urgency than want in politics yes.
If this doesn't happen.
If these anxieties on the right about border security and a democratic willingness to let this -- because they believe it helps them if this were to go away.
What's the real consequence what -- the real.
-- I thinks it's the Republican right doesn't want it to happen is your comments that it correctly.
Suggested Chris I think -- real loser if it doesn't happen is the Republican Party because.
I you know I can count and now they can count and they know that given the growth of the Hispanic vote.
Unless they can do better than twentieth -- -- 5% of Hispanics and presidential elections.
They're going to be almost permanently consigned.
To a position all of I wouldn't say permanent defeat but pretty close to it presidential -- Super.
And easily fire -- the last six elections the popular vote has gone to the Democrats.
And guys that's that's -- -- back.
You guys have mostly stuck to run for president for Africa a decade so well yeah that's ultimately it's your previous acknowledged though I'm looking at how we're gonna -- -- over the course the next two years is that the Republicans haven't won a landslide election since Beatty.
-- -- -- -- a couple close ones the silence.
You but I think this immigration bill as -- analysis of it is a little hyperbolic.
You know this along with the last probably doesn't pass it doesn't pass what.
You know this is a real long -- -- I don't think that anybody thought the beginning of the bill the original -- of being -- was going to be the bill became law you can Marco -- says that he's -- said.
You look we need to fix this.
It makes you you think you think this is gonna survive and and now that is sent it and it began today -- -- think it made sense and it's.
But the the group of -- the fellowship debate.
Says that they want they want sixty votes they want seventy votes -- because.
They want to demonstrate a lot of Republican by and on this and create pressure on the house.
Why would they do that but because of that.
Because the Republicans and Anheuser.
Probably closer -- to the grass -- if they're closer to the grassroots they're going to be.
More sensitive to what you discussed at the top of the segment which is borders security.
And there are -- a healthy percentage.
Of the Republican members in the house.
Who just don't want an immigration deal because they listen to their constituents.
And they know that firm many of them it's a non starter.
Okay and it's a ten year and by the reaction when it and -- neglected.
You're executive director of the -- rising act.
You are also.
An alumnus of the Romney campaign.
It marked ten points out that the Hispanic vote even would have been -- even -- the Hispanic vote would have flipped and Romney would that should he still would have lost.
Yeah and you know governor Romney definitely needed to make up ground -- with you know with the Hispanic vote with a with a bunch of other things that young voters were -- -- You we governor Romney won voters thirty -- -- A million pounds and is eighteen to 29 yields went to President Obama but I think and so you know there are a lot of electoral issues outside immigration of but you know looking at immigration reform particular -- I think that there or conservatives in the house -- Labrador.
Who were looking and trying to come to a solution -- solution that that's gonna have a bill that is good on border security.
They can pass the house and then that's gonna put the onus back -- Democrats in the senate whether they're even willing to support a conservative.
Immigration reform bill -- has -- the path to citizenship and also is very tough on border security a lot of the different.
What about the what about the democratic impulses here because what we saw in 2007 we're seeing the makings again which was conservatives attacked the legislation.
And that liberals especially labor liberals.
Don't they're not crazy about the idea to begin when it.
And when they see that the Republicans can take the fall for the legislation being defeated they quietly move away here but it was no amendments do you see that scenario -- -- that.
-- happening I also think there's another dynamic that happens and Tim alluded to -- which is as the border security component.
And the -- it gets tougher in the path to citizenship.
The incentive for the democratic left to support the bill gets less and less.
As that happens the deal unravels and rather than seventy votes in the senate you get 48.
You could already see Chuck Schumer on the shows as we've been getting.
You know a little bit nervous about -- this thing's gonna pass already trying to point fingers and pointed blame at that that the Republicans.
So that he is all.
OK so let's let's let's go let's let's go with this guys.
In terms of what's gonna happen.
Lets -- start with you ten.
Do you see.
This legislate now you know what here's what I'm really I don't really care about that I was gonna -- -- I don't really -- as humans but how about this.
Is very twentieth century kind of stuff because the Internet -- -- -- the Internet it was you could put together a huge.
Huge -- And get a budget deal struck inside that was -- back when there was money.
Get these deals struck and then move -- along and then people didn't know what was -- but now we've seen -- second occasion where baking things comprehensive and it makes them unpopular.
Is my test my thesis is that -- correct basis.
You know I think we're gonna have to see the problem is is that you've got us you know both people on the left in the right.
Who this individual aspects of this -- only vote for if they get within its you know that.
Democrats claim the support or security or -- yeah.
He is able -- -- -- the question Internet you want out of with the and here's -- and the question is.
Doesn't work anymore it's better to have things that are readable on -- simple straightforward that don't repeat -- I agree and as we get more partisan it's more difficult to do comprehensive -- -- Your Smart not just because you agree with your Smart for many reasons that we thank you -- actually.
And I understand you did not answer next time.
It's Villa next Saturday still unclear imports and they don't do -- competitor on the Internet but we definitely.
Okay here's -- -- tank says.
It is -- sure that they were behind closed doors secret deals that only -- -- after it -- -- that accident that's why it's so much.
If I was in congress I was one of the leaders in congress -- here's a rule if you can't get it done in 25 pages.
Break it up into smaller size understandable pieces that do not -- Americans out such a great degree that these -- Would offer to.
And you know what else you know another advisement and would probably.
You should stick because when we come back one of your favorite team will be with -- -- talk about that balancing test between national security.
And treatment the press that the attorney general so much but she knows a lot about it.
So we'll do that.
-- -- Fair to say we are investigating.
The conflict in his remarks.
Those remarks were made under oath but we also think it's very important that the attorney general be afforded the opportunity.
To respond so we will wait to pass judgment on that until after we receive his response unless of course he's not forthcoming -- that.
That was Bob good glad he's a Republican from Virginia.
Who cheers who's the chairman.
The House Judiciary Committee and he was on proxies and Chris Wallace what he was talking about was.
A a question of he and members of his committee.
It's are suggesting that perhaps the attorney general was at best not forthcoming.
When he answered questions that related to whether analysts had been.
Targeted because in fact it journalist whispered she works three offices and it's changed.
Democrats say it doesn't count.
They weren't seriously gonna prosecute him -- say they were gonna prosecutor in order -- phone records like that shouldn't feel better.
But the defense and all of this when you get down there's a lot of spin there's a lot of PR.
The defense and all of this is defense is national effects that the attorney general attorney general and others say yes a little constitutional -- may have been -- -- But they were trying to save the American -- about stopping leaks.
-- you know who knows in his lovely and charming and engaging in all of those things.
Is -- the among other things did -- think he's Fox News national security analyst.
Yes you could say that she is thank goodness the host of Defcon three.
But also she knows a thing or two about those balancing test from her work here and Republican administrations in Washington.
So KT well.
You're right I only thing the Nixon administration during -- that I worked for Henry Kissinger.
I had about as close to the front row seat as you can get without actually being implicated and I.
-- all over again.
It out Nixon.
Wiretap reporters during the Vietnam War there were leaks he was concerned.
So the Nixon administration wiretap reporters and in fact some of my colleagues in the Nixon administration.
And then let me when he got caught what was the excuse national security -- well nobody bought it congress and by and they ended up.
Writing articles of impeachment against Nixon resigned as a -- so to have president how about fast forward forty years present Obama saying.
Or attorney general holder saying well -- national security grounds we have that we wouldn't want to -- yeah I don't wiretap as reporters it's just kind of -- -- -- little I mean look.
Long shelf -- of Eric Holder out of -- minutes -- has begun.
You -- on the New York Times over the weekend.
The story that was reinforced and -- -- -- Democrats say.
It's too bad but they'll probably have to go it's probably -- -- -- because he's going to consume this in here and and leave don't make this is going to be made me.
But haven't sold out the lawyers and the lawyers fees.
You know you don't you don't realize it but -- may have to be called before -- committees.
They have to pay for their own lawyers and look at those -- camera thousand dollars or so -- think that from Eric holder's position.
-- the Justice Department the minute he -- -- -- Justice Department lawyers preparing his briefs.
He's got to be preparing his own he has to hire lawyers he's gonna go.
Corps hiring those hours so -- isn't -- it is to stay in the administration.
Now what's president Obama's administration.
Right now all the oxygen that's been sucked out entire inside the beltway crowd dealing with these scandals so from Obama's perspective.
He probably should cut and so that the administration can focus on other things.
With one exception.
If -- something that implicates Obama.
That Obama doesn't want a cut -- -- -- that many -- some loose and all of a sudden two guys who have been a lifelong friends who have been allies.
Side by side achieving their great golf become adversaries and then maybe -- and you have holder.
Paid 2000 dollars an hour to a sound lawyers is his incentive then becomes very different -- instead -- it's every man for itself and protect themselves.
Lewis Lerner comes to my parents ultimately.
-- KT McFarland will you please -- leadership.
Well -- Wednesday at 1 o'clock Defcon three we're going to be talking about everything from it mega issues and international security.
It -- some minor issues.
Inside the beltway -- some weather this.
The national security thing really does -- but particularly from the point of view of penthouse in what happens next.
My for my money what I really care about Chris is not the talking points this line now efforts were made to rescue Americans while they -- -- and it will all be done with grace charm and about me I guarantee it because that's she anything in the way they are right here on the -- okay.
Our Internet it's Monday so there's been so that's that is going to -- out with it.
And is up next and you do like that and a and you also like the fact that -- you back here tomorrow same -- time I met him at a rate.