Also in this playlist...
This transcript is automatically generated
Actually Thomas Drake -- 48 Thomas.
As a whistle blower you really put your career your future your livelihood the ability to support your family on the line.
Other whistle blowers do the same thing.
What is it that gets you to the point where you're willing to risk everything.
To go tell your story.
Well my particular case I was eyewitness to mass.
Multibillion dollar fraud waste and abuse.
As well as illegal activities of certain which included surveillance secrets -- balance on the part of the US government the highest levels.
And I could not stand by and simply be eyewitness to this aversion.
Of our own constitution a constitution that -- taken -- both support and defend for four times and not my public.
And so within the system.
Over several years.
I blew the whistle in accordance with the is existing statute which it.
Is intelligence committee was -- more protection act turns out it wasn't much protection at all.
I ultimately did go to reporter with certain on -- -- of information regarding both the fraud waste and -- and the secret surveillance program.
But you know it took the Obama illustration.
Although -- -- threats by the Bush Administration it actually I wasn't as -- -- illustration that they decided you know what for people like myself and now it turns out it's become quite routine.
And as we found out with James -- we're gonna use the Espionage Act.
To really hammer.
Is a hammer against those who would dare speak truth to power.
Ron is it it.
Is it really and I mean that's that's a kind of a fighting -- of one of the Espionage Act and -- apply that to our reporter.
Who is not trying to secretly obtain information to give it to a foreign government but to give it to the public which is very different than an Espionage -- And -- you know am I wrong there.
No it is is a.
Please power so is seizing the records of of several fault lines of the Associated Press two month dragnet.
That literally got them gave them access to methods and sources for the AP on hundreds of stories not just the one they were they were -- They went way too far here they've been dragging their feet since I got out different change in their -- -- we got out.
Now they do this -- he danced and they didn't they bring in some of the media to be part of there.
Part of their PR campaign they need to get out front of this thing apologize explain what the new policy is -- -- way it's gotta be a policy -- does allow them.
To really punish people who leaked out information that puts our men and women mundane news overseas in in in danger or -- somehow.
Compromises our national security.
But there's got to be a way to have a third party check.
Whenever you're here cross that line in the free speech in -- -- impeding the the media's ability to do their jobs somebody's gotta be.
Watch in the hen house other than.
Eric Holder and and in his predecessors I'm I'm more worried frankly about the next president.
And the next attorney general in this one this is scary precedence but the last two presidents -- put in place very scary chilling.
-- governor I find it extremely hypocritical because.
When it's to the convenience of the administration.
They will authorize leaks like a -- Oh yes when it's leaks not to their advantage or makes them look bad or embarrasses them or reveals -- -- rather not to have the public know.
They're coming after both the sources and now increasing the reporters and journalists.
With that iron fist.
-- he had -- of these guys that got it right yeah.
Well you know they're there was.
The group after group after group of reporters who were brought into us on the offices at -- White House.
To get extended on background briefings not off the record I'm back -- I mean they could use the information but he just could quote the person.
About the the assassination of Osama bin Laden that was a great and high moment in our nation's history we took on a guy who took out of a lot are our people.
In the -- folks wanna know about a but -- -- classified information there that they rushed out because it suited their political purpose.
You can't have a both ways we do have to crack down when somebody is compromising our security but what they've done now is destroyed.
-- really destroyed other credibility with the public.
And with the media and -- the -- you probably know we work every day expression organizations like the Associated Press literally work every day.
With the government no matter who the administration is when we get a story that we think might cross that line.
Either though approach also -- approached analysts say this is what we're about the run how we gonna compromise.
A source here are we gonna.
Get an asset killed there isn't something we -- need to now.
And based on their word.
Will hold onto a story aura will hold back information because you -- citizens to we don't want to get anybody hurt.
But now the next time a reporters told by the CIA or the White House and it doesn't have to be this one -- away the next one of the next one hey hold on that.
We're really gonna wonder are are they -- -- truth and so unfortunately what this is actually done is compromise our security.
Down the road the media's going to be less likely to trust the government the governments can have lessened ability to keep bad information.
From getting out there that's the irony here that's the dangers irony here -- On 48 Thomas -- thank you both very much for being with us today thank you governor.
Thanks for -- governor.
Filter by section