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Including Fox -- said that early Thursday they would not participate in Eric -- off the record meetings.
On the Justice Department's handling of investigations of the media.
Then on Thursday night the representatives of the five outlets who did attend the meeting were allowed to share some of the information was discussed.
Ron -- is the editorial director of the National Journal and he wrote a column explaining why the media should not -- holder off the record.
Thomas Drake as a former National Security Agency executive who was prosecuted.
By the Obama administration.
For being whistle blower on the agency's wasteful spending.
While developing a secret surveillance program.
I spoke to them earlier about what happens.
When the press and their sources are intimidated.
Into not working with each other off.
-- on Thursday you advise the media to stay away from this so called off the record.
Meeting with Eric Holder -- why was that your advice.
-- why be a problem for.
-- agency of government obviously the reason they're doing this is.
So they can come out in a couple weeks and say we talked to all the members of the media.
And they -- have a problem with -- whatever it is we come up with.
-- -- our job is to shine a light on the darkest corners of of our government not to be taking part in secret meetings how does it look if if we.
-- one hand argue for transparency -- other hand have secret meetings with the the attorney general what I would have done is very simply walked to the Romans that I know he's -- some background but -- let you know it's on the record I'm turning on the tape recorder.
It's up to you to decide whether or not you want to leave the room or be quoted but put the onus on the government official instead of violence.
You know -- having known you for over twenty years and that's exactly what -- -- be expected you to do.
It's what you would have done to me when I was governor and I would have expected nothing less and I think that.
You I was somewhat surprise of some of the news organizations that were willing to go under the conditions that were set forth by the government given.
The background here that was a surprise did some of those organizations surprise you for showing up.
I don't know why I.
I didn't really predict what they would do I did predict that the attorney general when asked for to be.
I'm off to record and I did predict that it would leak out and so one of my arguments I put forward 71 of them for now.
Doing this way was it's gonna leak out anyhow so why don't we just.
-- we just say it's going to be.
Reportable because -- it's there's no such thing as a secret meeting in Washington anyhow it was just a Kabul Peter Hanson and and why would immediately pardoned in a game like this.
Thomas you -- used the phrase this week soft tyranny to describe some of the actions of the attorney general in the Department of Justice.
You think we're close to a police state when it comes to the administration dealing with the press.
Well please states a strong phrase but it certainly.
The conduct of a government.
In this climate of fear censorship and suppression and wanted to silence -- news that they would rather not have.
Share in the public interest is an indication.
Of what I've called soft tyranny on the edges.
We have a government and particularly this administration and unprecedented campaign against information control of information.
Control -- the public ultimately -- -- years.
And in doing so they're actually assaulting the First Amendment and a very direct an unprecedented way.
Far more than all other administrations combined in our in our history.
And it really raises the Specter of why -- the -- going to such a great lengths to control critical information.
That's necessary to keep -- our Republican formed.
In terms of what's going on inside the government.
Ron let's talk about -- the impact if a reporter thinks that he or she might be the subject of a criminal investigation.
Because of the sources of -- story.
Does that not have a chilling effect on -- reporters' ability to even gather the story and reported.
Well how little Wal-Mart employee feel if it's all a sudden you find out it's against the law to stock shelves or police officer to.
I'll throw criminals and and in jail course has a chilling effect but more important than the effect on journalists is the effect on the people who.
It is our job to try to get information out of whistle blowers and people who who want to get information out that maybe the government doesn't want to have on obviously I'm not talking about.
Really important national security information we we are in a twelve year effort here.
To try to balance the real need to keep ourselves safe enough to let critical national.
Security information out.
But also to do that while maintaining our liberties and we have seen abuses again and again and again going back the Bush Administration.
What's going on here with the Obama administration is deplorable but I don't know if -- any more deplorable and what the Bush Administration -- with the -- Wireless.
And the way they tried to extend an authorization.
-- -- attorney general ashcroft's hospital when he was sick demanding authorization was.
It was a pretty pretty aggressive way to try to -- to roll back civil liberties.
So we have to be careful to get politics out -- -- make sure.
That the liberals today who are -- muted in their criticism of President Obama.
They were awfully loud in credit criticizing.
President Bush wanted to do the same thing with President Obama and the same with people frankly governor -- your party.
Rightly attacking the the governor of the the president United States now why weren't they as is critical of President Bush and his role Baxter and his administration.
Fair fair argument.
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