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If anybody can defend the IRS and the administration in this it would be you but I would imagine even you would be -- pressed to find.
A silver lining for the for the administration here.
I don't find a silver lining I am a little worried that this kind of thing has gone on.
I was targeted at one point -- during the late eighties for some of my political work.
As a liberal so this has gone on since -- is a very famous case were they targeted people so.
This has gone on in other administrations but to the left but the point is it's not acceptable or anybody left or right.
It's about -- -- -- -- agree with that completely unacceptable -- -- I'm feeling left out I don't think I have been targeted so maybe I shouldn't be saying that enough but just unique way sake of my head back on us right now only achieved it.
I think this really obviously the Republicans would love to link this to the White House and iPod.
Actually the most interesting data point that came out in the last few days was the fact that the head at the hiring of former head.
And visited the White House 157.
Times more out and cleared from the White House 157 times actually came in about eleven time nonetheless -- -- -- and that is more than any other official in the administration and compared to the bush White House.
The person -- bit similar person.
Had visited once I mean is it is kind of -- shocking.
Data point and I don't know what it means Allen and made it doesn't mean anything but.
It is really a little hard to imagine that.
This all went on without any kind of oversight or influence from above.
And I think that that as the hearings roll out frankly I would just assuming -- it into the expensive.
And events that higher risk the lives thrown I think that's kind of a red Herring and I don't see really what about -- -- -- as.
Everyone -- -- -- agree with that that that there -- Republicans.
As so often in these situations whether it's on the Republican side investigating all the Democrats like there's there's often -- sort of but.
Elect urged to overreach and then you find yourself taking me I -- all of -- real deal.
You're gonna find -- -- opposite ends interestingly enough I actually don't think.
At the IRS spending -- money on conferences is a red Herring.
What I think is if you close the White House visitors.
Which would be in -- cost about three billion dollars a year and then you have these IRS conferences at millions of dollars a year.
Give me giving me a choice Imus and that eighth grade school.
That has been ailing car washes so that they can get to the White House deserves preference and so I actually I I don't think it's a -- -- -- all it makes me -- it.
-- I I think it's terrible and bad behavior and kind of typical sloppy big government but I don't think it really is.
Any in any way connected to the major issue here with which it is.
This really invasive.
Right wing organizations and individuals I mean.
Yes Alan I think in the past there have been individuals who came.
Ran afoul of the IRS and who claim that they were targeted ads that are out there has never -- in my age and experience or anything.
That I've ever read about.
It such -- prolific and targeting of organization ahead.
Not sound right does an election it does seem a fat point that this was.
I -- evidence we have so far would suggest that this walls.
More widespread perhaps -- not the kind of targeting we have seen people do you have any evidence that they do it it's been as widespread as this.
I will have -- I think you should talk to some of the liberal groups particularly the Center for Constitutional Rights.
My honest in my -- -- the director emeritus there.
But I have to tell you yes I think that in the past there has been this kind of -- may be a long time in the past and it doesn't excuse the targeting now.
In any way shape or form but unfortunately.
This has been a pattern that we have seen from time to time since the sixties I hope.
Let's -- bring in some of the people who were actually involved in these.
Research projects and sending out the questionnaires and so forth I think it is appalling that Lerner got it didn't just tried to invoke at this she did.
And she got away with I mean nothing really has happened to her she's on know it yet knowing anybody about undergo in this -- but really I mean what is what's the excuse for that how -- she.
Clam up when she maintains that there has been she did nothing wrong so what is her excuse for -- -- this is congress she's a public employee.
I think this is ugly actually Ellen I think it's -- Paul isn't done do you see.
He any way -- that this could have happened.
-- -- it being sanctioned from a high level.
Well actually yes in some respects I do I think that.
There is a sort of bias that they're gonna please the guy that lives at 16100 Pennsylvania Avenue.
No matter who it is and they think that that's necessary to keep the political people.
Who are are are given these jobs although apparently -- that I.
To me signals that folded that would that kind of been a -- well dignity and -- those -- that cold is it isn't a real red flag waving its signal war is -- sort of this unconscious.
We're gonna please the guy in the White House that's what I know -- I just isn't one of the thing.
I know that it.
It has been reported.
At defense of marriage or whatever that group is.
I have their donors linked to Human Rights Campaign -- I actually believe that I don't want -- -- reason I don't unseen force.
Ought to just like anybody gives over 250 dollars to -- political campaign out of Republican from.
Well but it isn't required at this point and so was completely beyond the scope of what they're supposed to be doing to demand that information and it's horrendous that they gave it to other organizations.
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