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The Federal Election Commission.
In -- 1996.
Election for the United States senate in the state of Illinois.
Friend of mine former law partner was the Republican nominee Al Salvi.
He was falsely accused of breaking federal law the Federal Election Commission.
Sued him the case was dismissed the Federal Election Commission tried to manipulate him into paying an outrageous fine.
The Federal Election Commission kept losing and losing and losing finally -- says.
I'd like to speak to the person with authority in this case because surely if they understood the facts.
They would dismiss this case.
The person at the other end of the phone in charge of enforcement at the times said we will dismiss this case.
If you pledge to never run for office again.
And the person at the other end of that phone.
Was -- -- When I was on a congressman Peter -- And his friend Al Salvi is my guess now he's an attorney and former Illinois Republican US senate candidate Al great to see you.
Answer your credit for a lot -- tells the story well.
About the saga that you went through involving.
You know the most one of the most notorious IRS employees at least today and that is slowest learner but before she -- to the IRS she worked at the Federal Election Committee.
Commission and that is how you got to know miss Lerner.
When she tried to make charges against you that you head.
Miss reported a personal loan you made -- you -- own campaign.
And -- it's over all of which you were exonerated up rip repeatedly over and over and including -- -- after the seventh Circuit Court of Appeals.
You've been exonerated so.
It during the entire issue is pursuing these charges against you go out why -- why should we believe that it was anything other than your standard.
FEC case against the political candidate who they thought had done something funny with his money.
I I don't have any evidence that she was going after me because I that was a conservative candidate.
But I believed -- and I saw that almost all of the other defendants at that time.
When -- -- was the chief enforcement person there.
When they were all conservatives.
You look at the record to Christian -- a coalition is so many of those.
We had conference calls and it the one common thread was that.
The its accusations against us world all ridiculous.
May get even if I were guilty of what she was accusing me of and I wasn't.
It would have been an accounting error minor accounting -- it was disclosed -- -- -- were disclosed and everything else and that's what I said to her personally I said.
Even if I did this on purpose.
It's really nothing and why are you asking for so much money and these -- World War I headlines and all of the newspapers in Chicago.
It was something that they'd beat.
Over -- my head day in and day out when I sit down for interviews this was the first question that always came up.
I couldn't run a campaign.
Was it because she had something out against conservatives I believed so at fifth time.
Many years have passed I have forgiven -- starter I went through four and A half years I was very difficult on my family.
Ten years after I forgave her though I I Sar on television.
And the stories that I heard.
Were identical to the story that I went through.
And as little as I want to get back on television and and I as much as I wanna be in my own little private world right now.
The fact is I have an obligation to tell my story.
Big is what happened to me when she was the head of the federal elections commission is exactly what has been happening to people.
Especially the Tea Party which didn't exist -- back then.
Especially that Tea Party what is she is doing to them and has been doing is exactly what she did to me.
Because if she missed Lerner we have reason to believe in those who worked underneath her had -- had several months.
Years of keeping those Tea Party groups very very busy and very very -- -- is true.
And that's what she did and -- I was negotiating back and forth but in the meantime.
That in the newspapers and the television commercial -- millions and millions of dollars of television's comer commercials.
I remember -- my kids from the TV when it came out.
LC LB is being investigated by the federal elections commission.
And mounts over a million dollars it made -- sound like it was stealing a million dollars or something.
It was very very difficult to overcome there and when she offered it to me to drop the case.
If I stay out of politics for the rest of my life.
This sounded very strange to me.
It didn't sound like your usual well we'll negotiate.
-- -- if you pay a small fine.
And you admit that you were wrong or said -- she asked me to get out of politics for the rest of my life.
-- lowest would you put that in writing and she said no now.
-- sounds suspicious to me do I have proof that she was it after me because I was one of the most prominent conservative candidates running in.
In in Illinois a running nationwide at the time I have no proof of that.
But I think that there's a lot of circumstantial evidence that she was targeting me for a long period of time.
-- on meritorious claim because I was a concern.
And she kept you she kept you so busy.
That yes -- -- you out and you couldn't any media was locked -- -- -- focuses on the -- Dick Durbin ultimately won that race and is still.
A US senator from the state of Illinois.
Can't come fast forward to -- 2010.
And one of the Democrats who is so upset about these 501 C four's that have now been targeted we know by the IRS and and it -- in 2010.
One of the people one of the men in the US senate who wrote the letters saying you need to take a closer look at these 501 C -- And give them additional scrutiny I mean -- I'll let you tell the viewers.
That was -- There was Dick Durbin.
And it to me -- -- US senator rice to the Internal Revenue Service and says I don't like these people.
They're my political enemies I want you to investigate them.
Even if it's a public letter.
To me that doesn't pass the smell test just is what lost Lerner did with me didn't smell this pass -- -- test.
And it seems to me that there's a pattern here and another thing is this Megan.
She lost that case.
Chastised the federal lawyers they had sent lawyers -- -- -- only imagine how many millions.
Of dollars they they spent going after me she failed she lost she did a bad job.
It turned out what she did was it was unfair.
As she gets promoted to the IRS.
And then she -- she's allowed to continue to do.
These little things against other people with the IRS -- a higher level.
To me there's something wrong -- you don't get promoted for that kind of thing you should get demoted for that.
I gotta -- but I want to ask you quickly.
Did you take effect -- -- on your case.
I never took the fifth and in fact when lowest per cent and I'm sure she said am I told the FBI is -- A couple years after I won the case to FBI agents came to my home.
And they want to did Null and they're really nice people I'm not blaming FBI yet critics predominantly as our break.
They were there to -- to find out about a 2000 dollar contribution that my mother elderly mother gave to me.
And IE I told them I'd be happy to talk T I didn't take the -- tell the truth Al thank you.
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