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I'm just alert now on new fallout from the hearing we watched yesterday into the IRS is targeting of conservative groups.
Yesterday for the first time we heard directly from Tea Party groups and others telling their stories of alleged IRS harassment they endured.
-- -- congressman Jim McDermott of Washington State got his turn he challenged some of those accounts.
And their motives.
None of your organizations.
If you didn't come in and asked for this tax break.
You would have never had a question this review but I get the feeling that many -- you.
And -- Republican colleagues just -- leave.
-- believe you should be free from political targeting but that you should be for free from any scrutiny.
-- -- Now Washington democratic congressman Jim McDermott congressman thank you for coming on.
So we watch celebrated just yesterday and had a discussion about it and they questioned whether you were blaming the victim as Paul Ryan.
Suggested moments after you concluded your remarks -- understand that criticism.
-- anybody who would make that criticism.
Did listen to my whole speech.
Five minutes talking in -- tell -- about one line.
The fact was I said five times.
That the questions that they were asked were egregious they were out of bounds they shouldn't have been asked.
And I said that over and over again very clearly.
But what I was trying to do was to say this process.
Of acts -- For a tax exemption.
Is one that.
Once you ask for one you open yourself up to being questioned.
And I think that we want the questions to be on both sides the only group that loss that was told they couldn't have an exemption was a liberal group.
-- Elton Brand your mirror like you know that many many conservative groups hundreds of them were kept waiting with no answers for months and money actually in the -- never they were to never denied there was quiet what what does their -- Who cares if -- if you're stuck for three years no answer is -- name is -- enough.
-- -- -- -- They can still operate.
They can still collect money they can still put out advertisements.
They can use their First Amendment right nobody at the IRS stop them from doing.
Accommodate an experiment that ignores the reality in -- testimony you heard Jim cook -- you would talk about how.
They lost -- 30000 dollar donation because a lot of people don't want to donate to groups that haven't received that stamp of approval.
In officially becoming a -- -- four.
I was not under testimony.
I don't know you reject -- offer any proof he didn't offer any.
And he was -- -- he was lying is this your answer to that anybody Orleans.
That they welcome Indonesians are there -- Kelly you are putting words in my mouth I'm not asking you IMAP you cards you are putting words in my mouth stopping.
I'm not -- -- unasked say -- you -- -- rejecting that testimonial.
As not true.
I and saying people can say anything and they do say in testimony before committees.
But the fact is that.
We don't know that to be true if you would bring some evidence and and show it to us we would be glad to see that that somebody said I offered you 30000 dollars.
And because you don't have a tax exempt status I'm not gonna give it to him if he had a letter or something like that.
That we would have something to talk about.
But when you're just listening to people tell -- -- tell us in the congress things all the time.
And that and though.
IRS hears people say all the time and they asked more questions and ask for documentation.
That's the nature this is not an honor system for giving.
Tax exemptions we don't we make people.
And it would -- America a progressive organization who was training democratic women.
To run for office when they asked the IRS -- for questions and they said no that's political.
That's the way so.
So once -- is the groups so these women and mentally we've got a full screen of some of the witnesses who came before yesterday.
It was their obligation it it was assumed Martina -- of the the right to life group in Iowa she she should've said.
This is inappropriate I understand the system and I can tell you I know that these are not appropriate questions when you tell me that I have to guarantee you I won't picket -- protest outside a Planned Parenthood.
I mean you -- once again as we saw you -- yesterday seemed to be putting the burden.
On an honest American citizens who are -- up -- in the final not for status and Annette that's they have no.
That there's nothing wrong with them doing that.
I am not putting the burden on them -- -- leading the process.
If you ask for a tax exemption.
You have to be prepared.
For now -- got and -- nearly does that ring a minute I -- a half a dozen times.
That that justification that was -- war in these instances was wrong.
And -- on the side of those six people sitting in front -- I absolutely think.
I absolutely let me -- let it -- it I had gotten used.
I ought to get to -- I get to this portion of your remarks which yet you seem to be putting the burden again on the on the good Americans honest Americans who before you just tell their stories.
When you said the following here.
I haven't heard a single word here about what questions you think we ought to be able to ask you about your tax exempt request.
Anything else like this circus that's happening in the oversight committee -- here.
Is simply political -- -- Why is -- their obligation to come before the house Ways and Means Committee after a flight from Iowa.
And three years of trying to deal with the harassing IRS.
Try to educate you -- Or the IRS.
On exactly what questions are appropriate.
And which ones are not.
That was a rhetorical question.
To the committee and the chairman why are -- having these people who told us your story we got out of the way now let's get on how we fix it.
The real question is how do you fix this because it's going to continue to happen if you don't fix it.
And there there's no it was not anything said in the whole pairing up -- the time I was there -- -- stay until the very end.
And there was never anybody talking about how do we.
So I understand that there might usually not a phrase that a rhetorical question to the Republicans used ends they use and I haven't heard a word here about what questions -- what do you think if you use these kids we asked to be able to ask you about your tax exempt -- west.
The Republicans weren't making tax exempt requests it was the people before you.
So it's certainly satellite a direct question to the good men and women who took time out of their day after being harassed by -- IRS.
The speed sensor -- that is right in -- right it will leave it to their viewers to decide thank you for being answer we've got to go -- -- -- us to see again.
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