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About -- I welcome -- doctor Ron Paul Ron Paul serving congressman during the late seventies and early eighties he then.
With Libertarian Party candidate president 1988 return to congress in 97.
-- the representing the fourteenth congressional district of Texas.
Then he left congress in 2012 -- -- the author of several books including challenge to -- the case for gold and a republic if you can keep it.
Congressman thanks for coming on the program appreciate it as always.
Good to be with -- all right are you missing the life in politics.
No that didn't -- That -- an easy answer he eats he.
-- I've been able to still talk about the issues and participate in different ways joke that's always been my desire anyways talk about the issues not a really to be in politics that they can be.
Thank you -- an important voice because nobody else was saying the stuff you were saying on that on the and having a national platform to do it.
Yeah that it generally is the key indicator other -- saying -- that the problem isn't -- ever gone to congress you and I -- it would be.
Thinking that I'm not sure I read that as we spoke as you know a long time ago when you're and -- Libertarian Party candidate talent.
So soon good course records started being in congress -- that we do know that.
You have oh lead that would -- -- have more credibility if you have a office.
But there are others out there who do good work from my viewpoint you know -- this serious things about foreign policy I hope I can continue to contributed that.
And you got ran in -- now who can often picked up things you know fair bit about on.
All the attention.
Let me that's big if our policy the two most recent appointments just today Samantha Power.
Who is being nominated by Obama for the United Nations and and another appointment today.
-- financial security advisor Susan Rice -- -- any response or reaction to those appointment.
Well not not very strong reaction mainly because I look at that is you know pretty much status quo no changes.
People who believe in a lot more intervention than I do not gonna argue that case it.
We ought to be less engaged rather than being more -- I don't expect either one of them to ever suggest that.
They -- we got a lot to give up one drone warfare and the principle -- fascination and following the Bush Doctrine of declared the wars preemptive wars.
Those -- the kind of things that I think -- the big issues that the American people aren't talking about so they get hung up on.
Differences in personality in this partisanship.
You know if if Republicans do with the Democrats complain the Democrats -- a Republican complaints that can't put policies they're you know very very similar.
As -- brag about it all day today by both.
They were both interventionist -- Libya a not so sure they feel that way about Syria but Libya in fact Dennis Kucinich with whom I know you share some views.
Believes that when god -- problem was the fact who wanted to living in the first place -- we not gone and invaded Libya remove the government it created a vacuum.
What have the tracks even gutsy but probably not have happened.
And I agree with -- and -- in the -- he's actually -- on my board -- I started a new group.
And institute for peace and prosperity which is on foreign policy in their words.
They were more than just one or two times that you nine might have taken a -- you know by ourselves.
Not that others didn't agree with -- that politically you know it was just a little bit too much you know for people to come we assessed.
But I he would that he would stand firm and I really admired him because.
He you know he would say the same things whether it was bush or Obama.
Where you know how the wind blows the other times you know I pushed that is OK but I -- follow Obama benefits that -- horrible.
Part of our -- I'm with guys like you -- -- -- -- and issues like the drones on -- like civil liberties the Patriot -- -- call myself a liberal -- and sometimes but.
But listen I mean that it was a dream tickets -- people wanted to Paul Kucinich or vice Versa ticket that would have a -- dream ticket present people.
Well nobody I've got a little bit of attention maybe the media would have been forced to give us a little print -- Let me ask you about what's going -- the -- scandal and you'd like to do -- away with the IRS but even if we had a flat tax or if we had a what's called a fair tax you'd still need aid agency to implement it.
So what is the ultimate answer.
And do you think it goes as far as the White House in terms of level of involvement in directing them to go after particular groups.
Yeah I think it always goes.
And they pretend it doesn't -- you know it's it's it's a bipartisan deal it's been going on for a long time it happened.
With the redevelopment mixed.
-- -- -- I've participated apparently there.
Their enemies but you know.
It'll on the on the tank I think you're right if you get a flat tax I mean it's certainly going to be checking is still going to be and I are asked.
Coming around and doing things them.
And -- YouTube are eager to deduct decide what you really come as.
So I never really gotten in all the law indeed militia debating what how what kind of -- we have although.
I had a very strong position of not being compact it was horrible we don't need -- we didn't have it for a long time.
I think the real issue is.
What why do we need the money they have of course you do need the money if you're running a foreign policy well over a trillion dollars a year.
And also getting involved in welfare that we had libertarians haven't you know done don't endorsed.
They haven't been spending is the problem that spending has become out of the marketplace.
In the airport and politicians make the decisions.
But I say this spending his attacks because.
Government -- -- taxes.
But there's a limit -- -- taxes for all the government that we're getting now and -- actor about a trillion dollars I don't think anybody in his advocating -- So then they have to borrow the money there's -- -- to that because that'll push interest rates up.
That advantage back to well what else can we do how can we -- the people even longer and that's when they print the money and that's where we that's where we are today so.
The people pay and I think we're on a regressive system.
The people who suffer the most in I think.
Even the Fed's statistics now showed that the middle class has really suffered in the last five years they haven't recovered like the banks have recovered.
So when you print money the middle class suffers the prices go up and they lose their jobs so I think this system that we have today is -- taxing system.
-- in the middle class in the middle class is getting much work.
Do you prefer a flat tax or a fair -- Well I don't know I guess I like the idea flat into the -- -- -- good.
Let's zero -- but that's certainly not realistic but.
Well they didn't only -- there you know there was a time when we didn't happen.
Either my promise when I was in office and campaigning was that.
I would always do whatever I could to reduce the.
Power the higher SA and reduce your taxes.
So it if it's as fair tax either which is a sales tax it's unfair to some people.
There's nothing fair to retired people if you have that and and flat tax -- what I think.
You know he flat tax and hey do you get 62% flat tax that you have no deductions and no way -- you can Whittle that down a bit.
So there is -- shortcomings always come up -- I don't have a preference rather than lower taxes and load overspending.
And doing -- that we -- and to remove the power of the the Internal Revenue Service which is now bearing.
How what -- warned about in the fact did it's it's dangerous.
Not only to.
That the abuses that power.
But also to our civil liberties because I don't I don't think it's a good idea to.
And the government come to town called assailant I don't think you've paid your bills -- you come -- -- and bring all your records.
You approve the union do wrong that you're -- you're being here rights -- being abuse you're doing to you pretty herself in the sense.
So the ice to order we have to chuckle a little bit they getting these -- pages on the defensive but you know who's paying for their attorneys that that.
-- -- Rivera learned how would you handle this in DC if you were still able if you enable them make these decisions how would you handle this issue -- the iris.
You mean the -- corruption -- is.
Well you just have to do your very best they have the best appointments as that agree with you on the same philosophy and start from the day you want.
To try to root it out and prevent it from happening in the second you find out it happens.
Find out -- who get -- and women and farm quickly.
Yeah we're not gonna do away with the Arizona and the -- with a tax structure but is there a -- what is the right I mean are there right amounts to tax us it's still pay all the bills but -- answer of course reduce government.
-- to begin with but that's not happening he can't.
You know it's hard to answer that question because you've got to be able to reduce the government level -- legacy in the first place.
-- don't get -- Nobody in your right -- even if I were the president.
You know -- spending wouldn't have been cut that you know like I would have to do you know to do it.
But all all the way we can do -- argue the case.
Do the best for the economy and best for the middle class -- best for peace.
He is to cut back understanding.
And I think you point they -- the burden that we have.
It's not going to happen I'm not going to be the president I'm not gonna have a congress is going to.
Act logically and Whittle away at this and work our way out of it has no we're gonna continue to there's no way that we can overcome the political pressure.
Up spending and deficits and borrowing and printing money.
Until people give up on this system and they give up on -- dollar and unfortunately that's what we're going to -- I think we faced.
A crisis which in many ways similar what happened the Soviet system it will hit it we didn't have to -- -- nuclear doorway and they just broke down because.
Then in the Communist system didn't work -- you plan.
You think that's gonna happen to us to.
I think I think in any way you look at how old estates are getting bolder than ever before.
People don't trust the government they don't believe in the government and when you have runaway inflation and -- significant inflation.
Just going to ignore the government did the underground economy is -- two trillion dollar a year business right now.
And it's it's huge.
But I think the economy's gonna become much less efficient.
I I don't I don't think they're really really any significant recovery.
-- -- -- -- holding prices are going out.
-- and let the housing prices are going out but we're not having more jobs.
And what are the jobs we are getting are playing much less in the wins it will losing so -- -- on the floor.
Yeah that's for sure and and you don't recover those manufacturing jobs that went overseas.
And you have to deal with that tax -- you know -- He asked about the particulars that one thing that we could really change the corporate tax rate would be where the largest corporate tax rate in the world.
Know what they consider -- season.
And they don't want to bring -- back here and there.
Agent don't pay their fair share -- -- it is going to be the same.
The same as laws apply to everybody and some corporations canoe with angry little and -- -- full amount that's not fair either.
No it if you know with that with tongue in cheek but halfway serious my very first political talk -- -- in 1974.
Six I -- solution lies.
Actually it should never be higher than 10% our church is churches donated this for more who had -- that's why we we think more of our government than we do our churches don't.
-- didn't -- that that didn't fly.
Iran policy against just one more thing wanna cover would you like that which is that big an actress and the government this issue having to do with the associated press and -- in the fox news with the in the attorney general went and offered a subpoena in order to get it called James throws in the co conspirator.
And went after the eight -- get records claiming they may have breached national security.
The issue of freedom of the press of course now feeling the feeling is that that's being compromised -- this -- should Eric Holder resign as a result of some of these issues.
Marijuana -- he -- resigning should be fired because I think he he was in charge and of course he's dancing around how how much direct.
The responsibility as well each and bitten he can be in that office with.
With what's going on.
But we shouldn't have been president we can have bush president when they seaside that you can start preemptive wars.
There's so much that meant they could well should we impeach the president all are probably up but you have to impeach the whole congress.
At which as you call for holder to be fired up before now.
Yeah now now you should be.
Well I mean you ask me about it I don't go out and did that is in my -- -- saying I don't I try to divorce it from the personality of course.
Talk shows in the titans are always.
Mort I mean I I understand that but again at this.
That now I believe I'm not gonna write an article this week nor did I write one last week -- why these guys should be.
Tired I would change people's minds and -- like we might have a foreign policy even you and I can agree.
I don't like I didn't really a lot of foreign policy and Lincecum and.
So I wanna I wanna emphasize that -- if you concentrate on the partisanship -- I'll play out and taking somebody and impeaching -- -- taken him out of office.
I think it really misses misses the point about you know the business cycle thing we do we do well -- civil liberties and foreign policy good you know.
You and I someday I would love to find that a period of what we agree with on economic issues that you know if you.
-- -- what you think of the business cycle and if you disagree with my bottom observation business cycle.
I know why he's why they -- -- -- do have these conversations with -- list with.
Dennis Kucinich can't we talk about this and we have our friendly district.
-- you yeah I'd love to sit out there when you're next to your New York -- have in our studio and -- differently greater length of time -- possible with and I haven't always love -- any and I love -- the other show -- -- I nobody not looking to get into a personality conflict with anybody but.
I think was a fair question and you know because holder.
And what happened when his future is a big issue now nationally so that.
Yeah I think sitting here -- and that's what politicians are supposed to be aware of how -- and also what he did get rid -- them.
And I don't doctor Paul thank you for your time on his -- there --
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