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Any news of the Obama administration spying on UP.
SA secretly collecting phone records of millions of Americans and -- more chances are the NSA is also taking information.
Directly from the company providing your email service.
And the Wall Street Journal tonight saying it extends to credit card companies Karl -- joins us good -- Kyle.
-- -- -- Cover before we get to what's going on well into the Wall Street Journal what they're seeing what's -- -- times editorial board I'm -- -- allow laid out on the right in front of us -- his -- is what the Obama administration doing anything different from what the Bush Administration did.
Greta I'm not in a position to comment on that because I don't know I wasn't ready and all of these very -- very secure very secret very.
Important programs being run out of the National Security Agency and other.
Intelligence agencies so I can't really tell you I can tell you this.
I do think that America is in a war it is terrorist.
And to be able to identify patterns of phone calls between individuals here and individuals abroad and then to identify.
The patterns of phone calls inside this country.
And it just you know not listening in on conversations but -- gonna find who's talking to whom.
-- -- intelligence agencies to identify connections between people abroad and people at home and as we saw on the Boston.
Marathon bombing incident homegrown terrorists or terrorists -- -- sleeper cells inside the United States.
Our threat that we have to deal was we had to deal with him during the bush years and did so successfully.
Perhaps in part because of programs like this but.
There is a real threat and this kind of intelligence.
Understand why people are nervous about it.
Particularly with this administration but we needed to force the Obama White House from the National Security Agency and the CIA and the other intelligence agencies.
There are front lines in many times in the war on terror.
Well that is indeed true that we separate those but we also separate any administration from the law and the law which is fifty USC 1861.
Talks about the fact about not going after essentially American citizens domestically the NSA is -- -- -- investigation.
And now we find out tonight that it wasn't so foreign and that a cease to be in the words in New York Times.
Going after President Obama that it is present Obama's dragnet and it's much faster than its vast.
Well but remember really remember -- Sarnoff was a you know -- -- the Boston bomber Brothers what -- one of them went to Chechnya and then again we don't know the details have been imagine what would happen if we were able to identify that -- called somebody and Chechnya.
He was -- -- that he was under review for a period of time what he called somebody in Chechnya who's known to be a terrorist.
That would allowed us to -- understand that he was a problem and a map his contacts back here in the United States.
How we saw this on 9/11 itself where we had in the months leading up to 9/11 a number of contacts between the 9/11 bombers and people abroad.
And then they contacted each other inside the United States and if we had a program like this and and in effect of the time.
That might have been helpful to us in stopping that the 9/11 plot so I.
We had a you know this did they do the right of the government to seek to collect phone numbers and records of phone calls made to the other.
That that a number that one number called another number that is already been upheld by the Supreme Court I believe -- case called Smith.
And and and then there is a right for the government to do this in and it's focused on.
What kind of connections to people having inside the United States with people outside the United States and once we identify that they have those kind of contacts outside of the United States.
Who are -- talking to inside the united.
States as well.
Big difference in that case you that you mention what -- Boston.
That was the Russians warn us about his contacts in Chechnya that's one person we had a reason to investigate him.
In this instance it's there in 97 million people who are customers of Verizon.
I don't know how many of eighteen -- we're not talking about people would -- threats to that we have reason to be suspicious now we're talking about everybody else.
-- -- -- when -- went away my company went away when way to -- -- -- what we're looking for is connections between somebody abroad and somebody here in the United States and then once identified inside the United States that somebody.
He's talking to somebody who's in a bad place with a bad number -- -- that indicates a terrorist connection what kind of other contacts and they have an inside the United States and I think that's entirely legitimate -- in this in in the environment and the world in which we live necessary.
I think as as this unfolds we will wait wait and see but there's a big difference in my mind as a -- -- we just sort of feel grab everything crosswise at.
And what we have a specific information about a person a phone number well a connection -- -- -- just -- And look and look and look remember you and I don't know all that.
Is behind this program I think it is it ought to reassure people that the intelligence committee which is.
Republicans and Democrats alike in some partisan and tough Democrats -- not gonna give the benefit of the doubt.
To a Republican president and some tough Republicans who might not give the benefit of the doubt to a democratic president have been.
Is thus -- and today you up pretty universal in their praise for this.
A program in their defense in this program so I think you -- you know did the indication is an on again I don't know but the indication is that this program has been in force for a number of years.
And has been routinely.
Renewed and had and has -- generated information that has given the intelligence community Democrats -- Republicans like a confidence.
That is a valuable tool in the war against terror.
Well I go and -- the president ran 2008 on transparency.
And I don't think that the American people should be completely kept up in the dark in fact one of the reasons just to sort of backtrack a little bit.
Was that hole and been -- problem involved with the Associated Press Associated Press one to report that there was danger -- -- commercial airliners.
After a period of danger had passed and -- been working with the government and the government didn't want that be distributed the American people so there are instances when.
We really well tonight transparency when and we should have I.
-- agony and look at and I'm not gonna defend the Obama administration I will defend the intelligence community and I do think that we got as we do examine this look I'm so revved up about the IRS in the and the James Rosen incident and and -- -- -- I can't see straight but.
You know we got a divorce the actions of the White House and the actions of the political figures inside the administration.
From the great work that is being done by our intelligence and law enforcement communities to keep this country safe and we have foiled plot since 9/11 using tools like this.
I don't have any specific operational awareness in this program but I would be very cautious about -- What the administration is done on these other instances the IRS that.
-- this which is not be directed out of the White House is is not the kind of stuff that's flown across the desk of Valerie Jarrett this is.
Not the kind of program that I suspect David plot was ever read -- there's a program being run by the most secure elements of our intelligence community.
And those people I have trust him.
-- I -- one last thing is that death.
General clapper head of the DN I was asked by senator Wyden in March.
Whether the NSA collects any type of data on all the millions and hundreds of millions Americans.
And he said nose or Biden does not he said not -- there -- cases -- they could inadvertently perhaps and it's just when we start hearing things -- look not quite totally true the becomes.
He's not me.
-- reasonable become a little bit suspicious but.