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Countless questions this morning about the NSA surveillance program is this what the Patriot Act intended.
The man who wrote that losses this is overboard Wisconsin congressman James Sensenbrenner back -- us this morning sir good morning to you.
Morning down here from Republicans -- colleagues and hear from Democrats saying hey we gotta do this.
-- this is the world we live -- -- got a big problem with this tell us why.
Well I got a big problem because the business records part of Patriot Act which was what was used to justify this.
Was designed for specific investigations.
I don't know why every phone call it was sent or received by.
US helpful on company as well as emails and FaceBook posts and stuff like that.
Are relating to a specific investigation.
This is a dragnet it's an overreach and we've got to find out why if this is justified.
The NSA wants to do some data mind you but let's say you wrote the law but but the specific part of the law.
Says that it has to be relevant to the investigation right.
Relevant to the investigation.
And that investigation had been be authorized that this appears to throw suspicion on everyone does it not when you throw a net that's why it.
Sure it is and it's definitely government overreach in that what's happened when people seem to think that big government is good.
We're seeing big government in action just like George Orwell predicted but maybe a few years later.
Are they might be watching terrorists in 2013.
But you know what they're building in the state of Utah and would -- that do this information 2023.
I'm a -- if you thought Google was good knowing your every step every day what's the government capable.
All the government is capable of going to a secret court.
There are no adversarial proceedings.
And getting it over broad order and that's why apple you do -- chairman Bob good lad and I.
Our insistence that if we have to change that part of the business records part of the Patriot Act before it expires.
We will have hearings and will do that.
And we're gonna start it next Thursday when FBI director Mueller is going to appear before the committee.
I've got a good five minutes of questions asking about this and maybe we can get further to the bottom of why this is necessary and why it relates to a specific investigations unit any answers on that yet.
No I don't have any answers but I sure would like it is the author of the -- and who is assured by the Justice Department two years ago.
That this was very rarely done in not very often use you know my -- have a general you know just look at what's come out.
You know -- it did it took a British newspaper to expose it.
So you're saying when the Patriot Act comes up for renewal in two years 2015.
You would find a way to amend that that that business -- there about relevant information.
We can do it earlier than that -- -- we may have to as a result of the fact that this operation prism.
Really hits everybody who uses this.
-- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- You expect the American people trust our government.
With their information being tracked all day long.
On -- telephones on the Internet.
It well -- help us get our head around that.
Yeah how well he it's it's everybody it's everybody who uses a cell phone -- land line.
-- -- -- That's help brought the why is -- court's order was in on Al.
C'mon now you know he can't use telecommunications.
-- -- we have to go back.
To the bad old days when I was a kid where we used to tin cans and string between two local.
I heard yesterday that there were 101000.
Americans working on counterterrorism today.
In your collected all this data how did Boston happen.
Well that's a good question and we still don't know the answer it's obvious that something fell through the cracks and you know as you know -- you got too much the it's much more likely that something falls through the cracks that when you get targeted data.
You know -- good heavens you know I I offered the Patriot Act.
Tried it yet at the bad guys and getting at the bad guys without getting the good people.
Having there privacy.
I fought with the bush administration.
And the Obama administration and I thought I was able to be able that.
Do something that was narrowly drafted.
Now when did you look at any of anti -- can be abused and what you've got you've apparently got more work to do thank you come back okay Jim sensenbrenner sure -- -- Washington thank you sir here's more.
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