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Welcome to this Fox News Latino special I'm Juan Williams.
Tonight with me.
Eric -- And -- the -- Let me ask you -- We've come to the moment of truth on immigration reform in Washington and right now advocates are scared to death.
That this deal has come apart and cannot be put back together.
Is it dead.
I think it is -- and I think that the person who killed it -- telegraphed it was one of the rising stars ironically in the Hispanic political Hispanic American political universe it was Ted Cruz.
I think when Ted -- sided with the social conservatives.
And suggested dead.
Even if the Judiciary Committee at that time had not yet voted favorably even if they've eked its way out of the senate of the United States.
Santa Cruz was confident that it would die a slow death in the house and I think that's where it is headed now it's headed.
It will pass the senate may be narrowly.
But it will be I think it will wither on the vine in the House of Representatives of the forces the anti immigrant.
Forces are rallying they have gathered -- strength.
He's hearing more and more about how can we go forward without strengthening the border strengthening the border I don't know what my colleague guy Eric will want here and maybe a hundred foot high wall -- 500 may be like game of the rounds of 700 foot -- -- -- between here and Mexico.
But I don't think it's going anyway.
GM back at that point let's come back to border security a moment -- Boeing is it dead.
It was dead on arrival one so Ted -- very good friend of mine he's as shrewd politician he knew.
Would this bill this this proposal was never gonna make it through the house because as Chuck Schumer said.
You know what.
Every form every iteration of this has to include a path to citizenship and guess what wind it doesn't matter what you say about the border if you include path to citizenship.
In the bill and try to get through the House of Representatives this house of reps.
It ain't gonna happen so Ted -- Very shrewdly said you know I'm a step off and say this one isn't gonna work.
To the current bill and said maybe that will work bomb.
A -- -- -- cruises is is more accurate.
-- and I think when you look at the politics -- of -- from a reporter's point of view.
Why isn't this working because after the 2012 election Republicans and we've got to do something to win the Hispanic vote.
Democrats -- we all the Hispanic vote you would think that both sides would want something better.
Right I wouldn't call it that just yet because there are Republicans are looking at -- sixteen.
And thinking you know we can't alienate people again based on what they perceived to be an anti immigrant position the Republican Party.
So I think there are people like rubio and other.
Top Republican leaders pressuring.
Like Ted Cruz.
Will they succeed I don't know but I think there's definitely behind the scenes.
You know maneuvers.
Going on to try to salvage.
At least discussions about immigration.
Now border security is the item that I hear from conservatives but specifically from Tea Party conservatives.
Playing on -- those -- how big the walk they -- border security first or nothing we not doing anything without borders security.
But what you hear from president Obama's team is.
Just in the -- -- former governor of Arizona we've got border security we got more boots on the ground than ever -- -- Eric Bolling.
Why is border security.
Such an issue is this real or just an effort -- -- put up -- -- an excuse for defeating the -- -- has to have to start -- border security otherwise what's the point of any idea.
What -- security according to the advocates.
Do you think we have more security.
-- -- -- person wants I'll tell you what view of myself for all the Liz let's go down a bit that I can drive through that borders from across a river or walk through some -- and walk through it's a Swiss cheese border don't kid yourself don't we don't have 809095%.
Border security would probably have fifteen or 20% more security.
Until you get -- security this is all this is all like let's discuss what we're doing with the twelve million people here.
They can they can say we need border security first -- ain't gonna get it.
-- an alternate solution how's this for getting it.
For kids let's make our legal limit immigration system a lot more friendly -- instead of a 1000002 million people coming in -- per year legally.
Let's make it 45 million people and the people who are here illegally.
They can go back and try and come back in the article how well you how would you get them to go back -- -- you sounding like -- at -- -- -- mommies -- -- -- -- -- does that play or you make it easier political social and don't don't you make it easier to come back legally right now they're staying because they're afraid that they if they believe they're not going to be -- come back I'm saying.
Go back come back -- through the system legal I think that would make current legal immigrants here Latino is also happy with the with the system right now it's the people are saying wouldn't it.
You're rewarding people for breaking the -- coming over here and now they're actually proposing.
Giving health care giving Obama care giving welfare to people who have broken the law -- here I don't think that's good for anyone and certainly not a country that's.
Basically it sounds like self deportation and this is so totally unrealistic.
What he asks is for the breadwinner let's say -- here is he is Jose you want Jose to abandon his citizen children.
And -- -- American -- And go back to Mexico on the off chance that these legislators will pass a bill that will moderate.
The arduous conditions -- -- you be allowed to come home and be reunited with his -- this is preposterous.
This is the GOP.
Has an amnesia.
They got they -- tails whipped in November the Democrats the demographics indicate that there will never ever be.
Another Republican president -- the United States of America.
Unless they can talk to Hispanic people Latin people with respect and what -- -- being nice and recognize the reality of -- soldiers -- part of what.
It's disrespectful about asking people to come through the system legally like every one of our parents did like -- -- -- Didn't like that the million or two million per year -- do it our way -- -- -- -- -- just.
There are these pair but I don't know that every polish person Italian person came here illegally -- -- just I mean that's a fact but anyway let's -- short Chinese guys and I don't think that's true but let's go to around those points.
-- people -- that now -- -- self deportation won't if you propose that like Mitt Romney did under the current system.
No one definitely it's unrealistic and didn't -- it's that it.
It's unrealistic if you say we're opening up the legal immigration system to a lot more people we're gonna make it very easy for you to come back if you don't have a criminal record c'mon back -- have you.
It may take you three months six months but we'll have you right now do you know we could take you.
Three or four years to get legal immigration on -- impact the process is described only as speaker this is like twelve to thirteen -- escape.
Well it depends on the country but I went to the Philippines and 1998.
And there were people waiting.
Pocket and it was sold tickets from there.
Let's say we make it instead of twelve years right there are millions of people from the pin number 880 that document -- -- -- -- make it so that that that the waiting time is a lot shorter and you come here legally and you become a citizen.
And you pay taxes and you -- eligible for welfare.
Giving it without that process that first part about legal process giving away the welfare system to people who break the law.
Boy you were asking for trouble everyone's gonna -- -- very interesting point.
Let's say that all you say is true Eric and it's just a matter of principle and you can't allow people who broke the law to stay here.
And you want to get him back but -- says what does this mean for the Republican Party going forward.
Again coming to rob -- point that Latinos and I think you know what.
They've blocked immigration reform they just the -- comment on what's not reform about me saying open up immigration system and -- I made this proposal you're making a lot of interest that initial -- is not coming that was the problem in the -- That's the problem though they're they're not thinking clearly they're not making the right there were that the assumption is if you he was sent several back to Nazi and a story now.
What people come back in legally it's the only way to do -- never got to secure the border and if you start giving away health care system are our citizenship.
Just because you beat you you wanna you wanna make it through the board that you're -- even have twelve million you have 151000018.
Million people over here illegally.
Now let's let me just ask you about the health care provision we've heard about border security that's one huge objection coming from the conservatives the second one is health care.
Thanks pays for health -- what's the objection.
Right well the objection is that they don't want taxpayers to all of a sudden fund health care costs for who knows how many.
You know people the pew.
Institute says that possibly eleven million people you know would be would qualify for the.
Or dare say that it once they become citizens why wouldn't they be eligible for health care to support the counting out.
Fitness and hits before they achieves animation when they have this temporary.
Status legal status right then what's gonna happen with health -- and and that's for the debate it.
And the and the answer that comes from the advocates -- their minds that are going to be paid.
You could put that into this -- that would carry them through that period.
Why does that work -- -- -- Compromise and also what some people are saying that they're looking at it from a health care perspective is you know you have millions of people.
Pose a risk for everyone you know from a public safety point of view public health.
Point of view because people you know they still just because they don't have health care doesn't mean they don't get TV.
The right -- they don't get infectious disease.
Another point to be made is that if they didn't get sick and can't pay for the health care cost may be deported.
So it looks like kind of -- A losing proposition what they're doing -- going to emergencies.
And a seat I I think that when you consider that I'd I'd -- -- Ted Cruz -- for.
He he's also.
And both of us attitude Marco Rubio I think Marco Rubio although these two men come from very similar.
Backgrounds rubio both his parents came in the fifties free.
Ted Cruz his dad came pre Castro his mom is isn't Irish.
American now from the the region around the -- there -- two similar guys I think he was born in Canada -- -- -- point -- Christmas.
But an American mom and a and I Cuban immigrant dad.
Rubio gets it cruise doesn't get -- how does rubio get.
-- -- was the darling.
Conservatives who was the Tea Party and then has been that has been distract.
-- seems to -- going to the right of rubio so rubio has hammered out.
A compromise bill one would they have spent blood sweat and tears getting -- happily tell calibrated.
Compromise that permits walked.
So here we have twelve million people living in the shadows and we we'd say this number we really have no clear idea of what this.
What what rubio says is let's bring these people -- let's take an inventory so at least we know you talk about public safety you -- about national security let's find out who was here.
Let's do background checks let's fingerprint them let's do the optical -- let's don't Interpol let's find out who these people are.
Are they here you know is this a criminologist and gang -- -- -- person with a criminal -- -- -- a real person like I maintain 90% of these immigrants -- who come here seeking a better life for them damn -- and then you come into you have the criminal background -- you paid the fine you make them learn English you you do any kind of stuff and then jump and then and then and then Eric Bolling says.
-- And that's and it -- Amnesty whatever you want to ask him and you don't -- -- you don't give them access to public programs unless and until they become citizens I don't think that would give a talk.
Got that right there -- -- until.
They become citizens and here is a process where they get in line it's a lion and we don't jump the line and it takes ten years or twelve years.
-- you can make it as long as you want to -- -- quite -- expensive but we want are gonna get a bronze no one's dispute that dead.
OK so let's just say that that's -- -- wait for small Marco Rubio was the darling of the conservative side right until immigration he -- that his proposal on immigration.
Has pushed him out of the boat that was -- the limelight with the conservatives -- my license -- did -- It's like Morocco -- Who wants to bring conservatives into a successful bill one right on cruise ever done that wants to not everyone wants to -- -- usually aren't you short cruise really wanna do what I think Ted Cruz realizes that this this bill let's floating around ain't gonna pass a house who he's not gonna.
He's -- -- hitch his wagon to that bill because it ain't gonna go anywhere and -- and he can -- it.
And show he's different from Marco Rubio or Rand Paul in that he doesn't agree with all the stuff so that's presidential politics.
It's it's it's more conservatives what it is it's -- to running for -- they will be a scissors a path to citizenship as were all the points out Ted Cruz -- not so fast we're not so sure that -- should be.
Spot available to the twelve million people decided to break the law first and stay here if they leave and come back sure -- this is -- status quo.
Eric -- says let's just keep things the way they don't say that one why -- I -- I -- things I should actually.
This and I said that's crazy illegal immigration system multiples of what it is right now the reason why people are waiting twelve years right now is because they're trying to do legally in the paperwork in the -- and the quotas are -- but I have to expand the quota limit always tell -- -- -- -- -- I would have Bergen county New Jersey we see.
Hundreds of thousands of undocumented immigrants and you could see them on the corner of the Paterson needs it on the corners and west New York.
And eight or -- and then and now what are you proposing.
You that you're proposing that those people are going to because Eric Bolling says that you go home maybe you can come back that they will do that I wanna settle in every inning and -- they have -- -- so much to achieve.
The people who have raised so much to achieve other ones Geraldo who have come over here and end and applied for citizenship got their green cards got their -- -- Ellis Island point is harassing you do -- legally part of the welfare system your part of -- Social Security system you pay your taxes that's the what what America was don't ban the cup is there any Lee chambers that I sitting here try my best can get Eric Boe and Geraldo Rivera.
-- agree on anything about this bill -- -- could succeed and get through the congress right now.
Now if if you can you have a job in congress waiting.
Let me just tell you that they're both right Eric is right and her although I'm sure you agree that the process for becoming legal is just maddening.
And I know people and I know we all know people who are trying to do with the right way and it is just the most.
One of the most unfriendly.
Processes that you can imagine.
There are many studies.
The undocumented immigrant population that show that the majority of them now have lived in the United States more than ten years.
Okay now why does that matter how willing are they going to -- what do you think done in ten years.
This has become home all right so it's -- children who don't speak.
What you're saying makes sense -- but I just want to ask -- the final thing here.
You say this doesn't succeed so I know what you think you think we're done I think the Republicans are damned to be the runner up party forever and -- margin willing -- we're not getting an immigration bill this year on -- Eric bone.
-- -- I think the wild card here.
Is and the only reason I think there there could still be a chance is because there is this electorate that.
Made its displeasure known -- And let me just -- authority here Republican establishment as opposed the Tea Party establishment wants a bill to this moment to this day that working out from you -- -- watch debater but then I mean I just -- -- -- I -- Reagan Democrats win a general election they would never -- it that -- -- -- -- -- You know -- a Republican won't win.
A squishy Republican like John McCain -- Mitt Romney will never win an election anyway my god now written Mitt Romney with self deportation business which route you inherited here -- Fox News -- thank you for joining us Geraldo Rivera.
Eric -- -- the -- -- thank you so much come on back we're gonna have more this kind of intense debate.
Of importance of the Latino community right here -- you on Fox News the team.
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